March 18th, 2013 07:14 AM
What is your position on industrial wind farms?
Not a political conversation. I am looking at the expanded push for these things in Maine. Mountain top blasting and wilderness does not seem to go together.
Plus these guys are bribing environmental groups and sweet talking local government boards for quicker approvals.
I am just after a general feel for what the mtn. bikers of New England think.
March 18th, 2013 10:18 AM
Way more resource should be spent on Geothermal. I would vote NO on Wind Farms given the choice.
March 18th, 2013 06:57 PM
I like them. It is important to remember that they are owned by energy companies. Just because the look GREEN doesn't mean the parent company is concerned with the environment. It's still all about profit.
March 18th, 2013 08:35 PM
Having some exposure to this industry I'll say that I've yet to see a geo system work properly. The math just never adds up... it sounds good in theory, but when you consider the expense of pumps & cost of running; meh. We have heating equipment that runs at 96%+ efficient out of the box fueled by natural gas.
Originally Posted by BG
As to the OP.. not sure where I stand yet. I think it's the same as solar: good concept, but in reality the payback isn't realistic. Like Harry says, it's all business.
Forest for the trees.
March 18th, 2013 09:37 PM
I like the idea of wind farms (less smoke pollution, less nuclear, etc.), but I really think solar is the way to go. Less environmental impact to install, and less interference with the environment once installed. With solar prices falling, people really need to take another look at going solar. Wind farms are a good concept, put not necessarily a good practice.
March 18th, 2013 10:11 PM
But what are your expectations with solar? Photovoltaic? Otherwise you can't expect anymore than domestic hot water needs in New England,which again begs... return on investment.
Originally Posted by afclsn
March 18th, 2013 11:31 PM
I've read it takes more emissions to produce a wind farm then they could ever reasonably reduce. I don't know if it that is true, but personally I would like to see more numbers. For instance the last green technology (if you will allow me to change gears slightly), hybrid cars, is actually worse the way most owners drive them. In that case, the first question a dealership should ask is can you drive under 60 mph and the second is will you actually want to drive it past warranty - if so start saving for the replacement batteries and charging system... A BMW M3 can get better gas mileage at speed (great Top Gear video on you tube) and the replacement parts are ~$12k. That doesn't even factor in what could be the biggest concern with hybrids - can you recycle the batteries?
What I am trying to say is that as consumers we should be smart enough to demand valid numbers and not just believe marketing BS...
March 19th, 2013 08:28 PM
Quoted for effect
Originally Posted by agabriel
March 22nd, 2013 10:33 PM
Sounds like the Koch bros propaganda machine still works good...
Originally Posted by agabriel
"Everyone I know in bicycling is at least a little bit crazy, present company included." Sheldon Brown
March 23rd, 2013 08:31 AM
I'm not sure if it is correct or not, but I do know hybrid technology is BS the way [most] people actually drive.