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ktmdad
February 10th, 2010, 01:09 AM
Bike Cannondale Prophet size large, Fox Talas fork
Stock stem 100 or 105mm, unknown actual rise. 7, 8, 9, 10??
Me 52YO, 6' tall, 175lbs 1yr mtn. biking over 30 on off road dirt bikes

Per the advice of a riding instructor I picked up a shorter stem from a LBS to try out. He suggested trying between 60 and 75mm length (he's 6'3" and uses a 60mm FWIW) and said I would love it. Shop said it's 75mm.

Installed the shorter stem today. Not really sure "where exactly" they measure stem length but this appears to me to be 30-35mm shorter than the stock one that was on there which was 100-105mm from my measurments. New stem has an adjustable insert for either an 8 degree rise or 16 degree rise. I used the 16 degree setting which puts the bars about level with the seat. I will try the 8 degree also or I can shuffle spacers which could lower the bars approx.3/4".

Ok, I just loved what it did to the bike, much better control. Not sure what exactly I was supposed to feel (he said just try it) but I was now able to put my front wheel almost exactly wherever I wanted even at really slow speeds through rocks. I had been having a real problem with what I call front wheel wagging (for a better term) where the wheel would move right/left wandering around when pedaling and moving through technical sections and unless I carried a certain speed through tight rocks it was a struggle at times and not pretty. Same thing with climbing up rocky hills. Almost all of that was gone now. I could pick my way through rocks and up hills much much easier at almost a trials bike pace. Truely an amazing change. I felt everything was better from technical stuff, climbing, decending and bike comfort in general. There is still a touch of the wagging feel but not nearly as bad as before the stem change.

It's only 1 ride I know (with studs for ice and snow no less) but I'm very happy with the change so far. Feels like a different bike and I may try even a shorter 60-65mm stem for kicks. The instructor claims being all stretched out with long stems really messes up bike handling, especially for technical terrain like New England. I see what he means now.

So don't be afraid to give it a try, you might be really surprised at a nice improvement.

SteveC
February 10th, 2010, 09:49 AM
I did the same thing a few years ago with similar effect. Definitely improved handling. I also put a longer travel fork on which made going downhill more fun and decreased the otb effect overall.

dirtrider2
February 10th, 2010, 10:02 AM
Don't know what bars you have, but if they're on the narrower side, a wide bar (710 mm or wider) will make a similarly dramatic change in the control of your bike. Have fun!

Dave

nembabill
February 10th, 2010, 11:01 AM
I have put a shorter, higher stem on almost every bike I've owned. For the same reasons, control and my desire to keep my center of gravity well behind my front axle. My current setup is bars just above my seat.

Slappy
February 10th, 2010, 11:11 AM
Big forks and beefy tires also up the party factor.

Reptilzs
February 10th, 2010, 11:40 AM
20mm through axle is sooooo juicy

ktmdad
February 10th, 2010, 01:02 PM
Don't know what bars you have, but if they're on the narrower side, a wide bar (710 mm or wider) will make a similarly dramatic change in the control of your bike. Have fun!

Forgot to mention that as it's a factor also I know. My bars are 27" wide (685mm) EA70's with 40mm rise. Very comfy and no need for me to go any wider. My dirt bikes are 30"


20mm through axle is sooooo juicy

Yeah, I have the wimpy 9mmQR. A 15mm would be a very nice upgrade but requires new wheel/hub and new $200 lowers on my fork. I've looked into it already and may do it when I have some wheels with Hadley hubs built up. 20mm I think is overkill for my purposes but I'm sure way stiff torsionally.


Big forks and beefy tires also up the party factor.

Summer tires are Maxxis Ignitor 2.3" F/B. My studded tires are the Nokian Freddie's Revenz Lites 2.3" F/B. Really don't want anything wider than those. A 36mm fork would be fun to try for sure and look sweet on my Prophet but $$$.


I did the same thing a few years ago with similar effect. Definitely improved handling. I also put a longer travel fork on which made going downhill more fun and decreased the otb effect overall.

This is my first full year mtn. biking and when I started the OTB feeling on steep downhills and jumps was quite diconcerting to say the least compared to my dirt bikes. I kind of adjusted to it not knowing any better but this stem change will should enhance my confidence dramatically. I can really feel it already.

Will head out again today in the snow to play. Good to see other more experienced riders than myself have had a similar experience doing this change:rad: