Democrats, The Real Racists

[Mr_Cheeze]

Thank you Geraldine Ferraro.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2008/03/12/160712.aspx

Because those blacks, they can't do anything on their own merit. Tsk tsk tsk.

Spin this one, Slider.

[SloMoJo]

I call that ... " the stupid stuff that the media love"
Someone on one side slings mud at the other side ... big F'n deal.
Has nothing to do with any real issues.

We have all experienced how the political drama can incite someone to say something pretty stupid.

[BG]

My Spin:

SAUSAGES, SAUSAGES, SAUSAGES, SAUSAGE, SAUSAGE, PLEASE SAUSAGE, SAUSAGES...

[Slider]

There's nothing to spin. What she said was that Obama is getting a lot of attention because he's black. Where's the racism? She said, of herself, that she got lots of attention when she ran because she's female. Is that sexism?

Your turn to spin, Cheeze.

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[kernel crash]

There's nothing to spin. What she said was that Obama is getting a lot of attention because he's black. Where's the racism? She said, of herself, that she got lots of attention when she ran because she's female. Is that sexism?

Your turn to spin, Cheeze.

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What she did was to provide a mouthpiece for Hillary to take another shot at Obama. This particular hit was to inject doubt in the minds of the voting public that Obama is only where he is because he’s black. Maybe they should come to their senses and come back to Hillary. Obama’s a bright flash, he won’t last.

What’s funny is that whenever the Republicans do something like this, we have to listen to all the moaning and wailing from the left. Like they would never do something like this. Oh this is rich, and entertaining.

[Unbreakable]

As usual Slider marches in lock step with the Clinton line. Let's see, I copied that quote from the article and with a couple of key strokes (Ctrl+v), viola! (that's French for presto).....

The controversy began when the national media picked up on comments Ferraro made in an interview last week with the Daily Breeze newspaper in Torrance, Calif.: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

Now that is plain offensive. She then follows up by implying the rest of the country is too stupid to know any better and let him get away with being 'lucky for being black'.

To defend such a remark as she did by pretending to be outraged and blame her accusers of being a racist, smacks of tactics the Democratic party has employed for too long.

[Unbreakable]

What she did was to provide a mouthpiece for Hillary to take another shot at Obama. This particular hit was to inject doubt in the minds of the voting public that Obama is only where he is because he’s black. Maybe they should come to their senses and come back to Hillary. Obama’s a bright flash, he won’t last.

What’s funny is that whenever the Republicans do something like this, we have to listen to all the moaning and wailing from the left. Like they would never do something like this. Oh this is rich, and entertaining.

Republicans don't do things like what Ferraro did...Only the Democrats do.

[Mr_Cheeze]

There's nothing to spin. What she said was that Obama is getting a lot of attention because he's black. Where's the racism? She said, of herself, that she got lots of attention when she ran because she's female. Is that sexism?

Your turn to spin, Cheeze.

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Thanks for the softball. Imagine Mitt Romney saying the exact same thing. Now deny that you and other Democrats would be crying outrage.

Now I can admit that it was a trick question and that I agree with what she said 100%. Obama's name would have been forgotten by now if he were not of mixed race. Of course it's true. I just think it's funny because you're left having to defend a Democrat in saying something for which you would be slamming a Republican.

[Slider]

It isn't even close to a racist comment. None of the BS posted here makes the case. It comes nowhere close to spewings of Buchanan or his ilk.

Miriam Webster:

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
Function: noun
Date: 1933
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
— rac·ist \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective

Show me how it fits the definition, and you made your point. Toss up BS because you got nothing else, and you look desperate.

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[Slappy]

Geraldine, you are 100% correct.

Now make me a sammich. Have Hillary help you.

Speaking of Hillary - isn't funny that she, too, isn't where she is based on her own merits, but rather because she's still riding her husbands coattails.
Man, how many times can the Democrats f*ck up a free lunch?

[Mr_Cheeze]

It isn't even close to a racist comment. None of the BS posted here makes the case. It comes nowhere close to spewings of Buchanan or his ilk.

Miriam Webster:

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
Function: noun
Date: 1933
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
— rac·ist \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective

Show me how it fits the definition, and you made your point. Toss up BS because you got nothing else, and you look desperate.

Slider

Funny, you invoking the definition of racism when it supports your argument. But hey, thanks. I'll be sure to borrow your reference the next time you suggest someone is racist for being against immigration.

As for the rest being BS, you know it's not. You would be the first person calling a Republican a scumbag for saying such thing. Or maybe you don't get that this was the entire point to the first post. How did the bait taste?

[Mr_Cheeze]

Geraldine, you are 100% correct.

Now make me a sammich. Have Hillary help you.

Speaking of Hillary - isn't funny that she, too, isn't where she is based on her own merits, but rather because she's still riding her husbands coattails.
Man, how many times can the Democrats f*ck up a free lunch?

That, sir, is a sexist comment! We all know that Hillary made her name as a long standing legislator representing New York state.

[FriedRys]

That, sir, is a sexist comment! We all know that Hillary made her name as a long standing legislator representing New York state.Sammiches always taste better when served by a Senator, shirts seem fresher too.

[Slider]

You seem to miss the point. This is racism:

“The civilization that we as whites created in Europe and America could not have developed apart from the genetic endowments of the creating people, nor is there any reason to believe that the civilization can be successfully transmitted by a different people.” Pat Buchanan

He says there is a genetic basis, in race, for elevation of culture. Of course, it also shows a complete ignorance of history.

Again, show me where and how Ferarro's quote shows racism. Ought to be easy, if you aren't full of ****.

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[kernel crash]

"Again, show me where and how Ferarro's quote shows racism. Ought to be easy, if you aren't full of ****."

Well it certainly was race baiting if not pure racism by the standard definition. Bubba also played that race baiting card when he referred to Jesse Jackson victory in South Carolina as did the 3AM add that featured white children sleeping in their beds. Lets see,Clinton surrogates talking about Obama selling cocaine, being a secret muslim, lucky he's black etc. Hey that's a nice group your in bed with there .

As far as Buchannan, I'm not sure what was the context in the point he was trying to make. "nor is there any reason to believe that the civilization can be successfully transmitted by a different people" So is he saying that you can't transfer our civilization to say a tribe in the jungles of New Guinea? I mean a lot of people would agree with that. Why is it that this nation, in two hundred years, has made greater advances in every aspect of civilization, that any other culture, some of which has been around for thousands of years?

[catbbq]

It isn't even close to a racist comment. None of the BS posted here makes the case. It comes nowhere close to spewings of Buchanan or his ilk.

Miriam Webster:

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
Function: noun
Date: 1933
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
— rac·ist \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective

Show me how it fits the definition, and you made your point. Toss up BS because you got nothing else, and you look desperate.

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What was the quote in the Ron Paul newsletters that got you all hot and bothered?

[Slider]

Well it certainly was race baiting if not pure racism by the standard definition.

No, it wasn't. It was a simple assessment of at least part of the reason Obama is a hot commodity right now. I am not saying it is accurate, or very astute as far as positioning goes, but it isn't racism by ANY definition.

Race baiting? Not that either. There was nothing derisive of blacks in the statement. It was a comment on lots of things that happen in this country: pulling for the underdog, focusing on sound bites, hero creation. But it sure wasn't derogatory to his race in any way.

What would be the strategy in alienating a huge slice of democratic support? It had that effect, but it was unintentional. Stupid, not racist.

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[Slider]

What was the quote in the Ron Paul newsletters that got you all hot and bothered?

Here's a taste. In Paul's world "fleet footed" muggers make up 95% of the black population in DC. Only 5% of the black population has "sensible" political opinions.

As if he should know what make sense.

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[Slappy]

“The civilization that we as whites created in Europe and America could not have developed apart from the genetic endowments of the creating people, nor is there any reason to believe that the civilization can be successfully transmitted by a different people.” Pat Buchanan


Maybe you could try again, but get the author of the quote correct this time?

Thanks
- the peanut gallery

[Slider]

Maybe you could try again, but get the author of the quote correct this time?

Thanks
- the peanut gallery

Yeah, that was Buchanan, in his book, quoting Sam Francis of the Washington Times, and defending him, as part of an argument to close the borders. Close enough for this discussion.

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[kernel crash]

There was nothing derisive of blacks in the statement. It was a comment on lots of things that happen in this country: pulling for the underdog, focusing on sound bites, hero creation. But it sure wasn't derogatory to his race in any way.

What would be the strategy in alienating a huge slice of democratic support? It had that effect, but it was unintentional. Stupid, not racist.

Slider

Have you been in a coma for the last 6 months? Those statements by the Clintons were aimed at White Americans to stir up whatever underlying racism they could. Check the polls. Shortly after that statement by Bill the amount of black support to Obama increased while some of the white vote peeled off to Clinton. If its not suppose to be about race, why do the Clintons and their suragates keep bringing it up? And as far as "alienating a huge slice of democratic support" Hillary doesn't give a sh!t about that. She's only in this for herself. If she has to tear down Obama and take down the Democratic party in the process, that's what she will do. Isn't that pretty obvious by now. She's giving the republicans all the talking points they'll need for the general election. She's scum. Why can't you admit it. She's no better than Rove! Oh, and it was intentional. Everything the Clintons do is well thought out for the maximum political gain.

[Slider]

Again, show me where the racism is in what Ferraro said. I don't see it.

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[Slappy]

Yeah, that was Buchanan, in his book, quoting Sam Francis of the Washington Times, and defending him, as part of an argument to close the borders. Close enough for this discussion.

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So, since you're defending GF, it's okay to just go ahead and assign her words to you?

You realize you're a joke right?

In case it slipped your mind...

:har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har:

[kernel crash]

Again, show me where the racism is in what Ferraro said. I don't see it.

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"The persistent flirtation by Clinton operatives, spokesmen, and allies with the race issue, as epitomized by Geraldine Ferraro’s statements this week are not coincidental, but reflect a determination to inject racial bias into the current election. Knowing that she appeals to a downscale electorate, who are no strangers to racism, she is trying to use the race card to win. Her other hope is likely to entice Obama into playing what he calls “the angry black man” role so as to turn off voters. It is a disgusting approach to the election and the Clintons deserve to be called on it."

This from Dick Morris. And if anybody knows the real Clintons its Dick Morris.

[Mr_Cheeze]

You seem to miss the point. This is racism:

“The civilization that we as whites created in Europe and America could not have developed apart from the genetic endowments of the creating people, nor is there any reason to believe that the civilization can be successfully transmitted by a different people.” Pat Buchanan

He says there is a genetic basis, in race, for elevation of culture. Of course, it also shows a complete ignorance of history.

FAIL

That's not racism. That's bigotry. Semantics, yes. Nevertheless, the truth.

Again, show me where and how Ferarro's quote shows racism. Ought to be easy, if you aren't full of ****.

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You're having a hard time with this one, eh? Suck to be baited into hypocrisy. I understand.

[Mr_Cheeze]

Here's a taste. In Paul's world "fleet footed" muggers make up 95% of the black population in DC. Only 5% of the black population has "sensible" political opinions.

As if he should know what make sense.

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Is that his quote or from an author in his newsletter?

DAMN... you didn't think we were paying attention, did you. Back to the left blog you lifted that from. Maybe somewhere they buried the actual writer of the quote.

I don't expect you'll ever come up with the actual answer other than it was Paul's newsletter, therefore, everything in it are his words. A bunch of crap, as you know, unless you care to suggest that everything the New York Times prints is attributable to the chairmen of the board.

[BG]

WOW, this is so trivial i'm having trouble coming up with anything to trivialize it with.
What happened to all those political science/history degrees?? Give them up and become salesmen??

[Slider]

Is that his quote or from an author in his newsletter?

DAMN... you didn't think we were paying attention, did you. Back to the left blog you lifted that from. Maybe somewhere they buried the actual writer of the quote.

I don't expect you'll ever come up with the actual answer other than it was Paul's newsletter, therefore, everything in it are his words. A bunch of crap, as you know, unless you care to suggest that everything the New York Times prints is attributable to the chairmen of the board.

It was Paul's newsletter. It clearly has nothing to do with what he thinks. He hires only those who misrepresent him, and never reads a word.

Spare me, Cheeze.

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[Slider]

FAIL

That's not racism. That's bigotry. Semantics, yes. Nevertheless, the truth.



You're having a hard time with this one, eh? Suck to be baited into hypocrisy. I understand.

Let's hear your reasoning on that. You DO reason once in a while, right?

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[Slider]

"The persistent flirtation by Clinton operatives, spokesmen, and allies with the race issue, as epitomized by Geraldine Ferraro’s statements this week are not coincidental, but reflect a determination to inject racial bias into the current election. Knowing that she appeals to a downscale electorate, who are no strangers to racism, she is trying to use the race card to win. Her other hope is likely to entice Obama into playing what he calls “the angry black man” role so as to turn off voters. It is a disgusting approach to the election and the Clintons deserve to be called on it."

This from Dick Morris. And if anybody knows the real Clintons its Dick Morris.

Again, go to the effing issue. WHERE IS THE RACISM?

It isn't there.

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[Enigma]

:har::har::har::har::har:

The ONLY attention Barrack Obama gets because of his race is from weak kneed democrats afraid to NOT support him for fear of being called racist.

The remainder come from glassy eyed guppies who bite the "change" hook every time it comes along; and those greedy pelicans who want one of them "chickens in every pot" he's promising.

For the democrats, timing couldn't be better. Just when they have a vulnerable opponent in McCain, they're gonna self destruct like a wet bag of vomit from three stories up:D

[Slider]

Uh huh. I guess that would have to include the many blacks in this country who are finally feeling included in the democratic process. And the huge youth army he's collected.

As for change, the only reason it resonates in this election is because of the criminal we now have as President. I'm wondering how responsible Karl Rove feels for decimating the Republican party, and how aware Bush is of his own lackey status.

Last one, wanna bet? I'll give you the same odds I offered before, 10-1. Pick an amount.

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[Mr_Cheeze]

Uh huh. I guess that would have to include the many blacks in this country who are finally feeling included in the democratic process. And the huge youth army he's collected.

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Are they really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4WMqlfiQKo

Nice mentor, Senator Obama.

Then there is this guy, who supports the original "black candidate" Bill Clinton and his wife...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgtIqeV-6mk

Wouldn't you love to see these two have a nice, peaceful one-on-one debate?

Patrick Buchanon has nothing on these two pieces of work.

[Slider]

Can't seem to make the connection between Obama and your posted crap. Show me his own words and I'd pay heed.

Of course, you still have yet to make any rational connection between Ferraro and racism, so that expecting anything more than for you to SIMPLY DEFEND YOUR PRIMARY POINT IN THIS TOPIC is likely asking waaaaay too much.

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[Mr_Cheeze]

Can't seem to make the connection between Obama and your posted crap. Show me his own words and I'd pay heed.

Of course, you still have yet to make any rational connection between Ferraro and racism, so that expecting anything more than for you to SIMPLY DEFEND YOUR PRIMARY POINT IN THIS TOPIC is likely asking waaaaay too much.

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I guess that I have to actually spell it out for you. Jeez. I think this whole racism topic makes your brain go haywire.

Ok, here it is in black and white. My original point was a sham. It was simply to draw you into the discussion to prove that you would downplay it... which you have... and to state that you would not be taking such a position were it any Republican making the same, exact comments. How convenient that you continue to sidestep that part, though. Easier than to deny, I guess, that you absolutely would, beyond a shadow of any doubt by anyone, I am sure, who frequents this nonsensical forum, that you would be ripping into McCain or Ron Paul if they said it. In fact - and I've already said this part too, which you glossed over - I agree with Geraldine Ferraro 100%. I fact, again, I implied as such somewhere on these very boards some time back. Oh, but that comment, I am sure, was easily dismissed at that time as just more ravings of a racist loony. Ferraro, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense, doesn't she? Why, she's pointing out the obvious! No sh*t.

There it is. Clear enough? No? How's this... I don't believe the comment was racist. That's not to say, however, that popular Democrat platforms are most certainly racist, like affirmative action and quotas. And it's quite ironic that a Democrat like Ferraro would cry foul that affirmative action by proxy seem to be why Barak Obama is kicking Hillary's arse.

[Slider]

"I don't believe the comment was racist."

That's all I needed to know. Yet is is a plank in your case that the Dems are racist. Since you are so rational, you gotta see the inherint conflict, yes?

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[BG]

Great job girls...that's a wrap. Get workin' on something for next week. Gotta be another full page of bullsh*t worth a copy/paste headed our way real sooooooon.

[Mr_Cheeze]

"I don't believe the comment was racist."

That's all I needed to know. Yet is is a plank in your case that the Dems are racist. Since you are so rational, you gotta see the inherint conflict, yes?

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I see the inherent conflict in defending Democrats for making a statement for which any Republican would be lambasted, yes.

[Mr_Cheeze]

Great job girls...that's a wrap. Get workin' on something for next week. Gotta be another full page of bullsh*t worth a copy/paste headed our way real sooooooon.

Yea but... http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/247059/

And I quote: "We need a cleaning in that White House, and we need a woman to clean it up"... because that's a woman's place, cleaning house?

Love those Democrats. They're starting to sound like my kind of people.

[BG]

Life in the Democrat lane...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTo7BXlqcHs

OBAMA WINS!!!!!!!!! OOOPS UPSIDE YOUR HEAD, HILLARY...

[Slider]

I see the inherent conflict in defending Democrats for making a statement for which any Republican would be lambasted, yes.

Well, the Dems are getting slammed, so I don't see your point at all.

It would be misplaced criticism in either case, if we're talking this particular incident.

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[errollthin]

WOW, this is so trivial i'm having trouble coming up with anything to trivialize it with.
What happened to all those political science/history degrees?? Give them up and become salesmen??

I'm with him!

[BG]

"Well, the Dems are getting slammed, so I don't see your point at all."


All’s fair in love and war


People in love and soldiers in wartime are not bound by the rules of fair play. 1
‡ This proverb is frequently used when two people are contending for the love of a third.

[Slappy]

Show me his own words and I'd pay heed.

Oh, the irony.... :har:

[kernel crash]

"You seem to miss the point. This is racism:

“The civilization that we as whites created in Europe and America could not have developed apart from the genetic endowments of the creating people, nor is there any reason to believe that the civilization can be successfully transmitted by a different people.” Pat Buchanan

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How's this for irony. Look who agrees with Slider. None other than Pat Buchannan himself.

"Geraldine Ferraro became a household name. And though the Mondale-Ferraro ticket went down to a 49-state defeat, "Gerry" became an icon to Democratic women.
This week, however, after being subjected for 48 hours to accusations of divisiveness by Barack Obama, and racism by his agents and auxiliaries in the media, Ferraro resigned from Clinton's campaign. What had she said to send the Obamaites into paroxysms of rage? She stated an obvious truth: Had Barack not been a black male, he probably would not be the front-runner for the nomination."

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25514

[Slider]

I never saw Obama calling it racist anywhere. Buchanan says "his agents" did, but never IDs them.

I think SloMoJo got it right early on in this thread. Nothing but political hot air on all sides.

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[treelaka]

They will continue as they are too self centered to connect with anyone but themselves and people just like them. Does anyone know of any pol who is in it for the people and not themselves. Tsongas was the last I can remember.

[Mr_Cheeze]

They will continue as they are too self centered to connect with anyone but themselves and people just like them. Does anyone know of any pol who is in it for the people and not themselves. Tsongas was the last I can remember.

Democrats are not in it for the people. They're in it for the children. Excuse me now while I wash that phrase from my lobe.

[treelaka]

My kids are stillwaiting for the trickle down effect.

The non issues get in the way on all sides

[Slider]

My kids are stillwaiting for the trickle down effect.

The non issues get in the way on all sides

You mean "trickle up". :-)

We're more economically stratified in this country than ever before. So much for breaks for the middle class.

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