Let Tookie Live?

[TrailBate]

What do y'all think of Tookie? I'd let him live. 'Course, I'm a non-christian liberal, so figure the odds.....

[Slider]

He has tried hard to fight the gang thing since he's been in jail. Of course, you can't help but think of that scene in GoodFellas when they're eating, drinking and generally living the good life in lockup. I am sure Tookie doens't have it so bad.

I was kinda suprised the Governator didn't give him a reprieve. It would have helped more than hurt, ploitically speaking, I think.

Anyway, I voted to give him a break and commute the sentence to life in prison.

Slider

[FriedRys]

he's guilty, he should die.

[peterdbikes]

Lucifer has been waiting for Tookie for 25 years... I see no reason for him to wait any longer!

[GeepNutt]

Author unknown... I'm just passin it on ;D

Twas the night before Tookies Execution....

Twas the night before Christmas and all through San Quentin,
the crips were protesting, and liberals were ventin'.
The*needles were*hung by the chamber with care, in hopes that the reaper soon would be there.
The inmates were nestled all snug in their bed ;
except for Old Tookie, who soon would be dead.
And me with my beer mug, dressed warm in my flannell, had curled up to watch it, on the Fox News Channel.
I set up my TIVO to record the news station, and thoroughly loved the momentous occasion.
It seemed lady justice had gotten her way, and that there would be one less savage today.
When ! outside the jail there arose such a clatter, the cameras had turned to see what was the matter.
When what to my civilized eyes did appear, but a lineup of actors, all liberal, half queer.
The misguided freaks drew some curious looks, as they proclaimed his innocence; clutching his books.
The tears then flew out from Sarandon's eyes, as she nominated him again for the Nobel Peace Prize.
The actors were tethered to an ACLU sleigh, all towing the line of the urban decay.
On Asner, on Penn, on liberal cop-haters,
On Sharpton, on Jesse and other race-baiters.
Then at 3:01 all curled up like a beetle, Tookie cried like a bitch as they gave him the needle.
When up from the actors there arose such a cry, they had failed in their mission, and Tookie DID DIE !!
I heard Bill O'Reilly say, as I turned out my light, Merry Christmas to all ... there was justice tonight !!

[kernel crash]

And who said they don't write good poetry anymore 8)

[TrailBate]

Why is it that the Christian Right, the conservatives, and the "culture of life", like killing people?

Who would Jesus execute?

[Jesus]

Why is it that the Christian Right, the conservatives, and the "culture of life", like killing people?

Who would Jesus execute?

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/images/jesus-with-rifle-thumb.jpg

8)

[Rych]

Tookie is the poster child for the death penalty. He is considered the father of the crips. How many thousands of deaths are the crips responsible for? I find it strange that liberals have no problem taking an innocent 3rd term baby, pulling it part way out of its host (I can’t call any person who would do this a mother), and sticking a pair of scissors into it skull. Yet they will fight to save the life of a person who killed at least 4 people, and lets be honest, theses are the four he was convicted of, surly there are more. Is the death penalty a deterrent, probably not as much as the pro-death penalty crowd would lead you to believe, but the recidivism rate for criminals put to death is exactly zero.

[kernel crash]

"Why is it that the Christian Right, the conservatives, and the "culture of life", like killing people?

Who would Jesus execute?"

Why is it that the Liberal Left, the Democrats, and the "hip hollywood types", like turning the other cheek?

Who would Jesus execute? Why an eye for an eye I believe is what the good book preaches.

[slapheadmofo]

What the bible says about it has no bearing on my opinion, so I can be honest and say I support putting filthy murderers to death out of pure revenge. Would be nice to be 100% sure we're only killing off the right scumbags though. :-\

[nhiker]

Would be nice to be 100% sure we're only killing off the right scumbags though. :-\


And this is my problem with capital punishment as a rule. I simply don't believe our government or justice system is up to this responsibility....and this seems like a rather large mistake to go back and say oops my bad. If somebody is so bad we believe they are unsafe for society...lock em up and trow away de key! I believe the accounting bears out that it is less expensive to lifetime incarcerate these folks than to execute ...due to all the legal costs this puts on the taxpayers. At least then when we discover that the 1 in 10 was the wrong guy they are still around to hear the apology.

[Mr_Cheeze]

...the recidivism rate for criminals put to death is exactly zero.


Well, at least one person gets the whole point of the death penalty. The revenge argument simply doesn't work. No death is going to return any victims from their graves. But capital punishment is certain to remove a lethal danger from humanity. There is no need for another reason for this penalty.

That said, Williams should have been put to death 23 years ago. That's the bottom line there.

[TrailBate]

"Why is it that the Christian Right, the conservatives, and the "culture of life", like killing people?

Who would Jesus execute?"

Why is it that the Liberal Left, the Democrats, and the "hip hollywood types", like turning the other cheek?

Who would Jesus execute? Why an eye for an eye I believe is what the good book preaches.


I see. The bible says you shouldn't be gay. Gays are bad. clear as mud, cut and dry, no exceptions.

Thou shalt not kill. Eh, there is some wiggle room there.....

[iceman]

WOW, this morning I thought this was a dead subject......I know bad pun........Bad Iceman, Bad

[catbbq]

Why is it that the Christian Right, the conservatives, and the "culture of life", like killing people?

Who would Jesus execute?


Anyone he wants, by God!

Didn't he say he doesn't bring peace, he brings a sword?

[catbbq]

"Why is it that the Christian Right, the conservatives, and the "culture of life", like killing people?

Who would Jesus execute?"

Why is it that the Liberal Left, the Democrats, and the "hip hollywood types", like turning the other cheek?

Who would Jesus execute? Why an eye for an eye I believe is what the good book preaches.


I see. The bible says you shouldn't be gay. Gays are bad. clear as mud, cut and dry, no exceptions.

Thou shalt not kill. Eh, there is some wiggle room there.....


Could you give your reference for the bible saying you shouldn't be gay? I am familiar with the bible bu not that particular passage.

[Mr_Cheeze]

Could you give your reference for the bible saying you shouldn't be gay? I am familiar with the bible bu not that particular passage.


Then you must not be familiar with Leviticus:

'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.'
(Leviticus 18:22)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=lev%2018:22;&version=31;

'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have
done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will
be on their own heads.' (Leviticus 20:13)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2020:13;&version=31;

Or the Romans:

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their
women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way
the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed
with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men,
and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
(Romans 1:26-27)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201:26-27;&version=31;

Or Genesis:

Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city
of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house. They called to Lot,
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so
that we can have sex with them." (Genesis 19:4-5)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019:4-5;&version=31;
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019:4-5;&version=31;)

Corinthians, anyone?

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves
nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit
the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9-10;&version=31;
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9-10;&version=31;)

And finally, the more obscure Timothy:

knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for
the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for
the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of
mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for
kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing
that is contrary to sound doctrine, (1 Timothy 1:9-10)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%201:9-10%20;&version=50;
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%201:9-10%20;&version=50;)

Ah, yes... The book of righteousness, peace and tolerance. ::)

[off piste]

Why is it that the Christian Right, the conservatives, and the "culture of life", like killing people?

Who would Jesus execute?


Anyone he wants, by God!

Didn't he say he doesn't bring peace, he brings a sword?


He also said "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

Not "I am Christ", quoted as you'd expect a person claiming they were Christ to be written. It clearly says many would come claiming Jesus was Christ, and thus by doing so, deceive many. What's the total population of Christians at last count?

[TrailBate]

Corinthians, anyone?

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves
nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit
the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9-10;&version=31;
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9-10;&version=31;)



So Female prostitutes are okay? What about guys that partake of female prostitutes? am I, I mean, are they ok?

I read a christian website that claimed God was FOR wars. Crazy stuff.

[Mr_Cheeze]

He also said "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

Not "I am Christ", quoted as you'd expect a person claiming they were Christ to be written. It clearly says many would come claiming Jesus was Christ, and thus by doing so, deceive many. What's the total population of Christians at last count?


Could you not also paraphrase that as many shall claim to be the Savior? I'm not sure it's necessary to twist the meaning of biblical quotes to serve an agenda, such as implying that Bush is the anti-Christ. The Bible is self-damning enough, I think. I am with those who look askance upon our President for his weakness of mind. But evil? Nay. "Evil" is saved for people like Hitler and Saddam and Pol Pot.

[off piste]

He also said "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

Not "I am Christ", quoted as you'd expect a person claiming they were Christ to be written. It clearly says many would come claiming Jesus was Christ, and thus by doing so, deceive many. What's the total population of Christians at last count?


Could you not also paraphrase that as many shall claim to be the Savior? I'm not sure it's necessary to twist the meaning of biblical quotes to serve an agenda, such as implying that Bush is the anti-Christ. The Bible is self-damning enough, I think. I am with those who look askance upon our President for his weakness of mind. But evil? Nay. "Evil" is saved for people like Hitler and Saddam and Pol Pot.


Then it would be "For many shall come in my name, saying, "I am Christ"; and shall deceive many."

or, "For many shall come in my name, saying, they are Christ; and shall deceive many."

This is clearly the person talking (first person) referring to the "deceiver" claiming the first person is Christ.


Just playing Devil's advocate! http://www.telemarktalk.com/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif

[catbbq]

Could you give your reference for the bible saying you shouldn't be gay? I am familiar with the bible bu not that particular passage.


Then you must not be familiar with Leviticus:

'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.'
(Leviticus 18:22)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=lev%2018:22;&version=31;

'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have
done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will
be on their own heads.' (Leviticus 20:13)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2020:13;&version=31;

Or the Romans:

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their
women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way
the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed
with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men,
and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
(Romans 1:26-27)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201:26-27;&version=31;

Or Genesis:

Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city
of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house. They called to Lot,
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so
that we can have sex with them." (Genesis 19:4-5)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019:4-5;&version=31;
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019:4-5;&version=31;)

Corinthians, anyone?

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves
nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit
the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9-10;&version=31;
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9-10;&version=31;)

And finally, the more obscure Timothy:

knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for
the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for
the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of
mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for
kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing
that is contrary to sound doctrine, (1 Timothy 1:9-10)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%201:9-10%20;&version=50;
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%201:9-10%20;&version=50;)

Ah, yes... The book of righteousness, peace and tolerance. ::)




Your reading into it. All those references are to actions. Doesn't say you can't be gay, just that you can't act on it.

Just like you may want to steal or lie or be a male prostitute, but you can't act on it.

[GeepNutt]

Your reading into it. All those references are to actions. Doesn't say you can't be gay, just that you can't act on it.

Just like you may want to steal or lie or be a male prostitute, but you can't act on it.


Kinda like you can be a gay priest, just don't act on it....

[TrailBate]

Your reading into it. All those references are to actions. Doesn't say you can't be gay, just that you can't act on it.

Just like you may want to steal or lie or be a male prostitute, but you can't act on it.


Kinda like you can be a gay priest, just don't act on it....


No, you can WANT To be a gay priest, but you can't actually be one....or, you can WANT to be gay, just don't actually BE gay......

[BG]

Damn, i am relieved. I guess it was always OK for me to only WANT to kill mommy and daddy.

BG

[slapheadmofo]

Your reading into it. All those references are to actions. Doesn't say you can't be gay, just that you can't act on it.

Just like you may want to steal or lie or be a male prostitute, but you can't act on it.


Kinda like you can be a gay priest, just don't act on it....


No, you can WANT To be a gay priest, but you can't actually be one....or, you can WANT to be gay, just don't actually BE gay......


As long as confess to a gay priest that you're gay, you get it cleared from your record.

[slapheadmofo]

Damn, i am relieved. I guess it was always OK for me to only WANT to kill mommy and daddy.

BG


All depends - what made you not actually kill them?
If it was just because you feared the death penalty, then your intentions themselves have doomed you to hell. Don't fret though, I'll be there with you, and I'm bringing a SHITLOAD of beer. ;D

[TrailBate]

As long as confess to a gay priest that you're gay, you get it cleared from your record.


no, you have to confess to a priest that WANTS to be gay, but isn't. But if you ARE gay, you're screwed anyway (in a heterosexual way), unless you are only pretending to be gay, in which case you are screwed for lying.

[BG]

Damn, i am relieved. I guess it was always OK for me to only WANT to kill mommy and daddy.

BG


All depends - what made you not actually kill them?
If it was just because you feared the death penalty, then your intentions themselves have doomed you to hell. Don't fret though, I'll be there with you, and I'm bringing a SHITLOAD of beer. ;D


I was hoping you would be more interested in Why (and maybe how) i wanted to kill them.
I feared not for myself in this life nor the hereafter, i knew i was doomed to a future in hell one way or the other for what i pecieved i did in a previous life (that's another story).
I do hope Satan, and yourself since i'll see you there, have an affinity for dark beers.

BG

[off piste]

I think I'm on to you BG -- the more I look at the stand on that pink tree in your avatar, the more I realize it's an upside down cross........

[slapheadmofo]

Okay, I dare to ask...why and how?

A couple of proper beers for that venue...mmmm...ABA. I'm gonna be sipping on in about an hour...

http://www.unibroue.com/images/maudite-medaillon.gif

https://www.stonebrew.com/Merchant2/graphics/gs/abapint.jpg

[Mr_Cheeze]

Your reading into it. All those references are to actions. Doesn't say you can't be gay, just that you can't act on it.



Maybe... maybe... but it does allow for the act of capital punishment for those who act upon such desires. Can't play semantics with that little factoid. Certainly these nice followers of Christ (http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/) could quote for you every nook and cranny in that regard.

[BG]

just call me St Peter.

BG

(ref:the upside down cross thing)

[BG]

Okay, I dare to ask...why and how?

A couple of proper beers for that venue...mmmm...ABA. I'm gonna be sipping on in about an hour...

http://www.unibroue.com/images/maudite-medaillon.gif

https://www.stonebrew.com/Merchant2/graphics/gs/abapint.jpg



Well i was never quite sure why, the voices never told me. Since i always wanted to be a Republican (something to do with the voices again) i figured a good old fashioned bludgeoning would suffice.
Mmmmmmm, that looks tastey.

BG

[FriedRys]

Would be nice to be 100% sure we're only killing off the right scumbags though. :-\
F-It, I say I'd rather 100 innocent men die than have one guilty man go free.

[Rych]

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2005/12/20/ap2404048.html


This is a good example of why the death penalty works.