for what its worth

[priss]

Bike related General topic post replies last week 129

Off the bike posts and those in General not bike related 306

I know there are posts on other threads about biking, but anyone can see the gap is too big for all those together to overcome. So I'm not countng them.

I had a feeling this site was mostly about arguing political ideology but wanted to be sure i had the data to back it up before I asked anyone else what they thought. Counting was'nt that hard, but seeing those same 6 avatars over and over got real anoying. You know who you are.

Anyone know of any Mountian Bike Riding sites i could join. For bikes and riding, its too hard to find any info here.

priss

[huff'npuff]

Sorry Priss, but I can't agree with you. There's a lot of info about bikes,bike repair and maintenance,and rides here.
I hear you re: the political stuff,but most of that is just a " one upmanship" game that the kids have to play.
There's a lot of info here. You just have to ignore the political hacks. 8)

Sorry Priss, but I can't agree with you.


WHich part of what she said do you not agee with.
Did you check her count?
IS there really more biking here then off the bike stuff?

I tried this kind off thread here before priss. No one cares. 2 to 1 off the bike to bike posts is what NEMBA, or the NEMBA forum members, want on their site so that is what you get. Sorry you are in the minority, thats just to bad, Sorry you were duped by that site description too, it happens to alot of folks.

bill

[DAVID J]

I go to several sites for mtb's and dirt bikes and is the same way.I use the sites for what I need,not a hang-out or social club(not that there's anything wrong with that).I find there's a lack of people interested in long,hard rides.You won't find everything you need on-line.

[edge]

I don't mind the mix. Especially on a low post count site like this one.

Sometimes I ignore the the non-bike stuff, sometimes I don't. It's fairly easy to do either.

[Slider]

Shouldn't this be in Off the Bike? I mean, how else can we pick among the things we are interested in if we don't respect the categories?

Slider

[epic-rider]

I agree Priss. I'm a Republican, an Iraq war veteran, and I hate Bush. Think I have a lot to say? You bet I do. But I come to this site because I love mountain bikes and riding. Not to argue politics (I'm sure there are devoted web sites for that). NEMBA.ORG is a release for me and enjoyable, although I don't participate as much I should. I don't talk about work when I'm home so why would I talk politics when I'm in a place I go to get away from it all? My advice is to hang out and don't even open "Off the Bike." It works for me.

[Ben-O]

I've always thought a user's "posts" count should be adjusted for political discussions ;D:

"post count" = "total number of posts" - "off bike political discussion posts"

Although, I think that would demote some YaBB Gods.... :-X

[Slider]

I've always thought a user's "posts" count should be adjusted for political discussions ;D:

"post count" = "total number of posts" - "off bike political discussion posts"

Although, I think that would demote some YaBB Gods.... :-X


Half of Priss's posts have been non-bike related, and many of those were directly into political discussions.

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[MissJean]

It is really very easy.
1. Stop whining.
2. Don't go to the off the bike section
3. Ignore the posts of the people who bug you.
4. Host some rides & post them.
5. Write up a ride summary & post some pix.

Ta da! more bike content.

[catbbq]

Just finished a hour bike ride with my wife...


Most of my political post were just to get my post count up so that I wasn't a newbie or jr. member anymore. ;)

I honestly don't believe a word I say.

I really did just finish a hour ride though.

[jerseygirl]

Priss, you bike? Wouldn't know it from your posts or your avatar.

[priss]

Me being a whiner, or not a biker, or having posted on political threads, notwithstanding, Could you please comment on the original subject of my post and not make this all about me.

You still have a MTB forum that is only 30% about MTB.

Dont try to discredit the message by shooting the messenger. I relize you may not like the message and it is the culture of this forum to bash people. But numbers dont lie.

I'm just wondering how you feel about it? Perhaps we could all just answer that question without first having to judge weather I have the right to ask it.

While you are at it you might ponder this. People have come here asking about places to ride, people to ride with and help with bike choices. How many replies do they get. Ask yourself how many pages of replies they would receive if they asked about what political party to join, how they should vote on an issue, or weather there were any Christian MTB groups.

priss

[vinnycactus]

While you are at it you might ponder this. People have come here asking about places to ride, people to ride with and help with bike choices. How many replies do they get. .

priss


it isn't necessarily an issue with what thread you post in, but actually who you are. when i lived in mass i posted rides multiple times and got no response. now different user could post a ride at the same place, same time, same day and have 10 responses.

seems as though on this site unless people actually know you, they are less apt to come out and ride with you, or give you advice for that matter.

[BrianK]

Me being a whiner, or not a biker, or having posted on political threads, notwithstanding, Could you please comment on the original subject of my post and not make this all about me.

You still have a MTB forum that is only 30% about MTB.

Dont try to discredit the message by shooting the messenger. I relize you may not like the message and it is the culture of this forum to bash people. But numbers dont lie.

I'm just wondering how you feel about it? Perhaps we could all just answer that question without first having to judge weather I have the right to ask it.

While you are at it you might ponder this. People have come here asking about places to ride, people to ride with and help with bike choices. How many replies do they get. Ask yourself how many pages of replies they would receive if they asked about what political party to join, how they should vote on an issue, or weather there were any Christian MTB groups.

priss


Your "numbers" of the "off the bike" versus general are not a good comparison this week. In case you didn't notice the worst natural disaster in the history of the the US hit in the past week and has created an above average stir in the political section.

This site remains as one of the best places for biking realted info in New England. So I'm not sure what your purpose is other than to create a stir...

[nhiker]

Me being a whiner, or not a biker, or having posted on political threads, notwithstanding, Could you please comment on the original subject of my post and not make this all about me.

You still have a MTB forum that is only 30% about MTB.

Dont try to discredit the message by shooting the messenger. I relize you may not like the message and it is the culture of this forum to bash people. But numbers dont lie.

I'm just wondering how you feel about it? Perhaps we could all just answer that question without first having to judge weather I have the right to ask it.

While you are at it you might ponder this. People have come here asking about places to ride, people to ride with and help with bike choices. How many replies do they get. Ask yourself how many pages of replies they would receive if they asked about what political party to join, how they should vote on an issue, or weather there were any Christian MTB groups.

priss


Fair enough Priss and your point actually does hold a value but...I think a couple of these responces answered your question

For instance this one....
2. Don't go to the off the bike section
3. Ignore the posts of the people who bug you.
4. Host some rides & post them.
5. Write up a ride summary & post some pix.

And yes there is a alot of non bike rag time but you aren't going to change that. There is also alot of helpful biking info.
Good luck!

[MissJean]

Go to any mtb bike forum and you'll find the same mix.
People like to chat with each other.
NEMBA is a regional organization & proportionally speaking, there aren’t that many people who use this website. Go to the nation wide websites & you'll see hundreds of posts on dozens of subjects. A whole hell of a lotta them not bike related.

[catbbq]

While you are at it you might ponder this. People have come here asking about places to ride, people to ride with and help with bike choices. How many replies do they get. .

priss


it isn't necessarily an issue with what thread you post in, but actually who you are. when i lived in mass i posted rides multiple times and got no response. now different user could post a ride at the same place, same time, same day and have 10 responses.

seems as though on this site unless people actually know you, they are less apt to come out and ride with you, or give you advice for that matter.




That is the nature of New England. Coming from the midwest were people are extremely friendly, I was taken aback by how hard it is to make friends up here. People in New England are just more guarded. Its not that they are not friendly, they just have to be worked on more.

As for posting rides, I haven't volunteers to lead any rides, but have been on several that other people posted. When I have asked for directions, people provided them. When I show up and ask, "Is this the scheduled NEMBA ride?" they answer and then introduce themselves and others.

The MTB part of the NEMBA forums have been extremely helpful for me. I have ridden more this summer with other people than ever before. People have helped me out with my technical issues.

But it wouldn't bother me any if the "Off The Bike" section went away. It is probably like sporty concept cars though. People come into the dealership to look at them, but stay for the practical cars. Without off the bike, alot of people might not come the forums and provide information at all.

[Quo Fan]

I've been a member for a while, and have posted rides, and have joined rides that have been posted. Some rides I've posted, I have ended up riding solo, others have had a decent response. I often post about the rides I've taken, and have offered up many pictures I have taken on rides.

I offer all kinds of advice (good or bad) in the tech section. Soetimes I open the off the bike section, but most times I don't, because I refuse to engage in a slagging match about religion or politics. I have offered my opinion (good or bad) about different bikes that other members have questions about. This is why I like this board. I belong to other boards for other reasons, but I post on this one because I like bikes and riding.

[S2RT]

.....This is why I like this board. I belong to other boards for other reasons, but I post on this one because I like bikes and riding.



A-F**king-men

And by the way, don't let the forum door hit you on the way out.

[CsharpDev]

Just because this is the NEMBA forum and most of the visitors are NEMBA members or non members who also enjoy the sport doesn't mean we all eat, sleep and breath chain lube and bottom brackets. Some of us have lives and opinions beyond the sport of mountain biking. If people want to share their opinions (or debate) about Bush, the war, or the ideal doneness of beef (med. rare) with other people who share similar interests (mtbing) so be it. Think of the forum as a community, we all have different views and opinions but we're all mountain bikers.

I have found this forum to be very helpful, I wouldn't have had the oppertunity to ride Vietnam or Douglas or to win a free shirt at Blue Bills MTB Day because I wouldn't have known about any of them. I have met some cool people and have enjoyed riding with them, I never noticed the lop sided posts because I only read and/or post in Off The Bike when I'm extremely bored at work.

[Z]

I'm with CsharpDev. What brought this community together is mountain biking. But as we get to know each other, we shouldn't feel we can ONLY talk about riding.

Yeah, so maybe we get a bit sidetracked! :) If a thread doesn't interest me, I ignore it. If I want to see more about a certain topic, I start a new thread myself.


So... would this thread be considered "bike-related," or "non-bike-related"...? ;)

[Quo Fan]

So... would this thread be considered "bike-related," or "non-bike-related"...? ;)


Yes.

[Luckybikes]

Wow after reading this it was very funny to me. Priss has made a great point but for doing so he/she has been ripped apart. Just look at the difference between last year and this year i use to be very active here but lost interest cuass of all the BS flying around this site. I know go to bustedspoke cuass people actually usally post meaningful info then leave. I used to post rides and pictures here but don't anymore. Just look at the amount of people who used to be here who know longer come the list is pretty long. So now i will leave once agian only to be sure after this post it will be ripped apart and the denying and mayhem will begin.

Funny i should not of thought of this before.

Balance. Things are just a little out of balance.

It's not an all or nothing question, for either of those would be out of balance too.

Perhaps a little temperance is called for. Some middle ground on which we can all trac-stand upon.

I dont think the bike posters wish to lose the valuable opinion of the politically charged due to some kind of alianating restriction. Conversly it can be assumed the "off the bikers" would not want to alianate others with the lopsided post# dominance.

;D Oh Wait, I forgot. NO one forced you to look at all that non bike stuff Lucky. It was clearly marked as something you would not be interested in so why were you looking. Just be happy with the 40% mtb , no wait your not posting here anymore so, be happy with the 33% and keep your punk nose out of the "off the bike" thread ;D

They dont care how many we lose, or how many look and are turned away because they blame you for looking. So their numbers increase and the bike post decrease and no one gives a rats a$$.

And while i'm at it. Thanks a bunch priss for opening an old wound. It'll be a cold day in hell before i wear my denim skirt for you, again. Well maybee with some nice flannel leggings, but i'm not shaving.

So there.

[Z]

...And while i'm at it. Thanks a bunch priss for opening an old wound. It'll be a cold day in hell before i wear my denim skirt for you, again. Well maybee with some nice flannel leggings, but i'm not shaving....


Would this be a good time to dredge up that armpit hair and shaving thread again, from a couple years ago?

Oh, those were the times... :D

[nhiker]

First off I will admit up front that I don't get it! To me this is like TV or any other kind of media. If you don't like something being said don't go to that section and Bill I respect your opinion on this but why sensor those who want and enjoy ??? this kind of exchange? I mean I respect and enjoy much of the other opinions I see here.

If I am offended by something on TV or radio then I believe I should change the station and not expect them to take the offensive material away from everyone else. I mean I have been attacked for my opinions on this forum...But quit honestly there have been occasions when I have changed my mind on some issues because ...maybe my original thinking was incorrect or personally bigoted. I remember the string that priss points out earlier very clearly (Christian mountainbikers groups) I was wrong and bigoted in my comments and several people including my friend Bill called me on it. I still bare this in mind as a personal lesson. But some interesting dialogue came out there.

I also don't agree with those who feel that there is not enough beneficial biking info that comes out on this site. That is simply incorrect. There is a ton of good technical and general ride info here. Don't be prejudiced by your anger.

As a last personal message to Lucky, I was regular contributor to Busted spoke for some time and quit honestly the same sort of stuff goes on over there regularly. I mean do what makes you happy but the faces over there have changed over time as well. I lurk and post at MTBR and the same dynamics go on there too. People is people and we don't all like chocolate.... ::)....some like tapioca and some like both. This site will likely evolve as more of us come and go but there will still be a very diverse group of people involved so there will be some fireworks.

I find most everyone here interesting and well worth the read. Priss and Lucky don't go away... just don't bother with the strings that you know are going to piss you off. If your at a party and a conversation is taking place that you find ...er unpleseant you walk away don't you? You don't leave the party and assume everyone else there are a bunch of *******s....I would hope not anyway.

[jerseygirl]

Priss,

By the way -- your forum riding stats are really impressive -- those three days in March must have worn you out.

If you're so worried about bike-related posts, why not update your stats and post about your rides?

[Superb Man]

Me being a whiner, or not a biker, or having posted on political threads, notwithstanding, Could you please comment on the original subject of my post and not make this all about me.

You still have a MTB forum that is only 30% about MTB.

Dont try to discredit the message by shooting the messenger. I relize you may not like the message and it is the culture of this forum to bash people. But numbers dont lie.

I'm just wondering how you feel about it? Perhaps we could all just answer that question without first having to judge weather I have the right to ask it.

While you are at it you might ponder this. People have come here asking about places to ride, people to ride with and help with bike choices. How many replies do they get. Ask yourself how many pages of replies they would receive if they asked about what political party to join, how they should vote on an issue, or weather there were any Christian MTB groups.

priss


I don't know if the numbers lie or not--but I think you can look at this differently--We're really talking about a few heated debates, with a high number of exchanges between a relatively few number of people. The actual number of different people participating in all the various threads tells a different story---the shear number of categories and threads dedicated to biking specific topics vs the small number dedicated to non-bike topics tells a different story as well.

My own experience with the forum has been great--I used it as one of the primary vehicles for plumping the Wendell SF harpoon ride, trail work, etc--and the response generated through the forum alone was impressive.

I think you'll find that the vast majority of individual posters (and topics and Threads!) on the NEMBA FORUM engage as bikers first before anything else--though, the small number political posters love a good debate and fire off a large number of postings in short periods of time.

Liam
ginaliam@mac.comm

[bdee]

Funny this thread is at two pages and growing, while not offering anyone anything particularly meaningful with regard to bicycles or trails.

Read what you want and tune the rest out. Ride your bike more and you'll worry about this stuff less. This isn't a jab at anyone's riding stats, it's a proven fact ;D)

[priss]

Thank you all for sharing your opinions. I am happy to see most were able to get past personal judgement of me and comment on the issue. I learned alot.

And as a final note, To justbill,

You know, as I know, If I ask it of you, you will. :-*

priss

[kernel crash]

"You know, as I know, If I ask it of you, you will.

priss"


Yow. That kind of talk is really turning me on ;)

[Quo Fan]

Just because someone doesn't post about their riding, and their ride stats, doesn't mean they don't ride. Maybe they just like to play devil's advocate. I don't care why anybody is a member of this site. Their input, good or bad, is valuable.

I agree that some people like to have heated political discussions, and more power to them. I avoid what I don't like, and post where I do like. I exercise my freedom of choice. If I choose to read a topic, then I have nobody to blame but myself if I'm offended by the topic. Mostly I read the topic title, and maybe the first post, and decise whether it is worth my while. Most of the Off The Bike section isn't worth my while, though I go there to see what is happening.

[jerseygirl]

Just because someone doesn't post about their riding, and their ride stats, doesn't mean they don't ride. Maybe they just like to play devil's advocate......


Uh, I think her complaint was that there wasn't enough posts about riding, and I was pointing out that she was as guilty as those she criticized.

[Bikenow]

I have to know, Priss did you ask the question to generate the response?

[aveski2000]

You guys should come up to Bradbury and ride. The new trails are sweet.

[CsharpDev]

speaking of worth... if it's "a penny for your thoughts" why do we give our "2 cents"

[huff'npuff]

speaking of worth... if it's "a penny for your thoughts" why do we give our "2 cents"



Ah, but it's only the authors that think the value is that high ! ;)