View Full Version : Bush nominates John Roberts to SC
Mr_Cheeze
July 20th, 2005, 08:34 AM
This seems to have come as a great surprise to just about everybody, pleasantly so to those on the right. From what I have heard to date, pretty much the only thing they have on him is that he has, on numerous occasions, argued before the Supreme Court as to his opposition to Roe v. Wade. This will probably be enough to have the Democrats scrambling for cover as they try hard to find as much as they can before determining whether or not to go the filibuster route.
Personally, I could give a crap about Roe v. Wade. Will he prove to be a strict constructionist akin to Scalia? That's the important question... and what will cause the most handwringing on the left.
Any thoughts... mudslinging?
TrailBate
July 20th, 2005, 11:21 AM
Personally, I don't really care. Bush is a conservative, if he wants to try to appoint a conservative judge, so be it.
Slider
July 20th, 2005, 11:41 AM
Yeah, it is more about his ability to justify his rulings according to precedent. If he makes up things out of whole cloth, he's a bad jurist. The decisions themselves matter less than the process that produces them.
The vetting rocess might go astray from that approach. That's politics.
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Mr_Cheeze
July 22nd, 2005, 10:25 AM
Even a former KKK Grandmaster turned Democrat Senator can be right once in a while.
Mr. Byrd embraced the same judicial philosophy as the president in his memoir, "Child of the Appalachian Coalfields," released earlier this summer. In the book, he repeatedly blamed "liberal judges" and "activist judges" for many of the nation's problems.
"One's life is probably in no greater danger in the jungles of deepest Africa than in the jungles of America's large cities," he writes. "In my judgment, much of the problem has been brought about by the mollycoddling of criminals by some of the liberal judges who have been placed on the nation's courts in recent years."
Mr. Byrd essentially endorsed Mr. Bush's primary stated strategy for picking Judge Roberts and other judicial nominees. "The high court's share of the responsibility for our increasing lawlessness lies in two areas -- its zeal for bringing about precipitous social change, and its overconcern for the rights of criminals and its underconcern for the rights and safety of society," he writes.
Mr. Byrd detailed the advice he has given presidents about the importance of naming conservatives and strict constructionists to the bench.
TrailBate
July 24th, 2005, 08:57 PM
What does that have to do with Bush nominating a judge that opposes Roe V Wade and supports corporations over individuals and the environment?
Nothing.
It's a baseless right wing talking point made up in order to drum up support.
Mr_Cheeze
July 25th, 2005, 09:29 AM
??? Oh give me a friggin break. Now you are disagreeing just to be disagreeable.
I realize that many like you on the left like to forget that Senator Byrd is a former member of the KKK. It's not a "talking point" (gee, you guys seem to enjoy using that term an awful lot lately), but a fact. That being said, it wasn't my main point which was, dispite his political affiliation and sordid past, Byrd's statement about Roberts qualifications, as well as what is most important concerning a potential nominee are right on.
Why would I mention Byrd's past? Simply as a dig which I knew would dander up somebody's ire. Guess I was right.
Slider
July 25th, 2005, 10:21 AM
Byrd's from West Virginia. You were expecting, maybe, a Ted Kennedy clone?
Roberts has to be considered almost a moderate, condsidering who nominated him. I'm guessing the nominee is actually the first of what will be lots of fallout from the treason of Rove the Amoral et al. Bush was forced to offer up someone with some semblance of jurisprudence, because he is politically wounded, and couldn't risk the fight a more reactionary candidate would engender.
I love the fact that the Washington Post, that bastion of liberal thinking (not!), chose to bring up the CIA memo two days after the nomination. Talk about stealing Bush's thunder! The president had hoped to draw attention away from the treason committed by his staff, but was thwarted by a paper you'd think would support him on that. It says a lot about the staying power this treason scandal will have.
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Mr_Cheeze
July 25th, 2005, 12:37 PM
Maybe you are confusing the Washington Post with the Washington Times, because the Post is without a doubt a left leaning paper in direct competition with The NY Times for bigtime political scoops. The Post endorsed both Gore and Kerry in the last two elections. The Times endorsed Bush.
Slider
July 25th, 2005, 12:57 PM
Yep, sure was. The Washington Times is the Moonie-owned one. My mistake. Kudos to the Post for their timing.
The hearings ought to be better than the TdF, SuperBowl and World Series all rolled into one. Might have to go the big screen TV route. I want HDTV to see the look on the War Monger's face when they drop the gavel. Popcorn, anyone?
Oh - sorry for the hi-jack.
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TrailBate
July 25th, 2005, 01:02 PM
I realize that many like you on the left like to forget that Senator Byrd is a former member of the KKK. It's not a "talking point" (gee, you guys seem to enjoy using that term an awful lot lately), but a fact.
What was a fact? That modern society is being screwed up by liberal activist judges? You call that a fact? That's a vague baseless opinion. But I know how Rightys don't know the difference.
TrailBate
July 29th, 2005, 09:25 AM
It's all starting to make sense now.
Roberts was nominated because he helped steal Florida in 2000
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/legislature/sfl-arecount28jul28,0,6558573.story?coll=sfla-news-legislature
kernel crash
July 29th, 2005, 09:37 AM
I got the following mesage when I tried to access that link.
"You may have found an outdated link or typed in a non-existing web address"
Actually that's an appropriate message because the whole concept that Bush stole the election is pretty lame and outdated.
Mr_Cheeze
July 29th, 2005, 10:11 AM
Yes, because Hillary was right WAAAAAAY back when she complained about a "vast right-wing conspiracy." She's going to run for President, now, so we won't be hearing any more of that stuff from her. And when she loses, it will be the same conspiracy that will be behind it all.
I love a good conspiracy.
TrailBate
July 29th, 2005, 10:34 AM
I got the following mesage when I tried to access that link.
"You may have found an outdated link or typed in a non-existing web address"
Actually that's an appropriate message because the whole concept that Bush stole the election is pretty lame and outdated.
you'll have to cut and paste the end of the address. the link didn't get it all.
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