the plame case

[narlus]

can anyone explain to me why robert novak (the columnist who wrote the original article on the leak of CIA operative Vicky Plame) isn't the one being threatened w/ jail time for not disclosing his source, whereas Cooper and Miller are? from waht i gather, Cooper actually wrote an online story similar to Novak's, but how does Miller fit into this?

and in a strange twist of fate, Cooper's source told him he was ok to divulge their identity, so he's not going to serve jailtime.

the whole thing confuses the hell out of me. anyone care to shed some light on what's going on?

[Slider]

Novak is a well-connected, influential conservative. No one in the Justice Department wants to take him down. He would have to perjure himself if asked whether Rove made the leak. If it was proven Rove was the source, the fallout for Bush and his henchmen would be huge.

So the fellow that actually commited the crime (Rove) is using his influence to protect the journalist (Novak) used to disseminate the info. Very cozy.

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[Mr_Cheeze]

And Novak was the first one to out the name of the agent! It is baffling. Nobody anywhere has an explanation. Can it really be so blatantly political? I wish not, but what are we left to believe at this point?

[kernel crash]

"He would have to perjure himself if asked whether Rove made the leak. If it was proven Rove was the source, "

If it was all that simple, why don't you hear an outcry from the Democrats to put the screws to Novak? Get him on the stand. Wouldn't Novak then just say he won't reveal his sources?

[Slider]

If it was all that simple, why don't you hear an outcry from the Democrats to put the screws to Novak? Get him on the stand. Wouldn't Novak then just say he won't reveal his sources?


Yes, get him on the stand, absolutely. "Why not?" is a question for the Justice Department.
If Novak won't reveal the source, he goes to jail. That won't happen with Rove around.

I'm guessing the Dems are letting the investigation take its course, so as not to be seen as piling on. If the Justice Department gets the info elsewhere, it is just as damaging. Of course, Novak is very willing to sling slime. Might be a fear factor at work here, too.

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[narlus]

"He would have to perjure himself if asked whether Rove made the leak. If it was proven Rove was the source, "

If it was all that simple, why don't you hear an outcry from the Democrats to put the screws to Novak? Get him on the stand. Wouldn't Novak then just say he won't reveal his sources?






yeah, that's my take on it too. very strange.

[TrailBate]

Nobody cares that Bush lied about Iraq. Why would anyone care about this? The sad thing is, it's just par for the course. Americans have been desensitized to this Administrations criminal activities.

[Rych]

Nobody cares that Bush lied about Iraq. Why would anyone care about this? The sad thing is, it's just par for the course. Americans have been desensitized to this Administrations criminal activities.


I really think it's funny that you call Bush a criminal when he actually replaced a felon.

[FriedRys]

If it was all that simple, why don't you hear an outcry from the Democrats to put the screws to Novak? Get him on the stand. Wouldn't Novak then just say he won't reveal his sources?


Yes, get him on the stand, absolutely. "Why not?" is a question for the Justice Department.
If Novak won't reveal the source, he goes to jail. That won't happen with Rove around.

I'm guessing the Dems are letting the investigation take its course, so as not to be seen as piling on. If the Justice Department gets the info elsewhere, it is just as damaging. Of course, Novak is very willing to sling slime. Might be a fear factor at work here, too.

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Now I don't know much, but when was the last time a politician let anything "take it's course"? If the blood is in the water why aren't any of the dems taking a bite? Doesn't make much sence to me.

[TrailBate]

Nobody cares that Bush lied about Iraq. Why would anyone care about this? The sad thing is, it's just par for the course. Americans have been desensitized to this Administrations criminal activities.


I really think it's funny that you call Bush a criminal when he actually replaced a felon.



Clinton? If you say so....

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"Rove, who has testified before a grand jury investigating the case, likewise has maintained that he did not break the law, saying in a television interview, "I didn't know her name, and I didn't leak her name.""

Do we believe him?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/07/AR2005070702215_pf.html

[Slider]

"Do we believe him?"

A. Yes
B. No
C. Rove is an amoral, lying sack of **** who would do anything to advance his political power grab.

Um, lemme see.....

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[TrailBate]

Funny how the "liberal" media was all over Clinton and his bj, but hardly mention a thing about the downing street memos, or this case.

[Slider]

So the amoral Rove did the deed. It is treason, very clearly. The question now is not "Do we believe him?" but "Will he be prosecuted?" Then, after lots of Bush adminstration delaying and misdirection, it will be "Will he go to jail?

Hopefully, at some point, it will all change to "Will Bush resign or be impeached?" I am not holding my breath on that last one. They are too good at sleaze.

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Newsweek: Rove gave Time reporter OK to testify

July 11, 2005







Top presidential adviser Karl Rove was the anonymous source who released a Time reporter from his promise of confidentiality, allowing the journalist to avoid jail, Newsweek says.

In a story published today, Newsweek reveals more details about the celebrated case stemming from the leak of an undercover CIA agent's name in 2003.

The publication of Valerie Plame's name by Chicago Sun-Times syndicated columnist Robert Novak set off an investigation because it's a crime to knowingly identify an undercover CIA official.

Prosecutors trying to find who leaked Plame's name wound up issuing a subpoena to Time reporter Matthew Cooper. He also was working on a story involving Plame in 2003 and wound up facing jail because he wouldn't reveal his secret source.

At the 11th hour last week, Cooper got permission to talk from his source -- identified by Newsweek as Rove.

The magazine said Rove's lawyer confirmed that he gave Cooper the OK to testify before a grand jury.

Newsweek quoted an e-mail from the reporter to his boss that showed Rove had discussed Plame and her husband, Joseph Wilson, a former ambassador, with Cooper.

It was Wilson who went on a CIA-sponsored trip to Africa to learn about Iraq's alleged attempts to buy uranium there.

He subsequently criticized the Bush administration on the Iraq war, a move that critics think led the administration to leak his wife's name as punishment.

Newsweek says that while the e-mail shows that Rove talked to Cooper about the couple, the e-mail doesn't suggest that Rove revealed Plame's name or CIA status.

The Newsweek article quotes Cooper's e-mail as saying, "it was, KR said, Wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction] issues who authorized the trip."

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[quote author=Rychlink=board=36;threadid=7008;start=0#514 87 date=1120789254
I really think it's funny that you call Bush a criminal when he actually replaced a felon.


Not sure which felony Clinton was convicted of, but I find it far funnier that a Bush boy like you has nothing to say when his main man is shown to have committed treason. Rove the Amoral sold out our country, and risked the lives of a complete network of CIA operative, purely for political gain, but there is no outcry. WTF????

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[kernel crash]

If he's guilty, he should be taken down, no question about it. Yet there seems to be a lot of dancing around the subject. I heard this morning he's not the source of the investigation ???