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Big Game
May 25th, 2005, 11:09 AM
I've been talking with CFPA about pending ATV Legislation HB 5599. I think we should work together on this one.

This is the letter from them --


Please send this out to your mountain biking crowd. This went out to the hiking, land trust and enviro community. My organization, Connecticut Forest & Park Association started, has maintained and continues to expand the Blue Trail System for almost 80 years now. While there has been some contention between our trail managers and the mountain biking community in the past, I believe we are coming to terms with the need for muscle powered recreation to band together in order to deal with the motorized threat - which is more devastating to ecosystems, habitats and open spaces than anything we could have dealt with in the past.

HB 5599 - This bill expands the registration requirements for ATVs; increases the registration fee and the fine for operating an unregistered ATVs or snowmobile; creates an ATV account within the Conservation Fund to fund ATV-related uses and restricts ATVs and snowmobile use on state-owned and managed-lands. If many of us had our druthers ATVuse would be banned from the state - but this is a good bill that will get us protections we need and get them places to ride their ATVs. At this time law enforcement (many who are ATV riders) don't really enforce ATV trespass because they sympathise with the fact that ATV have no place to go. It will be easier to get enforcement and cooperation if this bill is passed.

I am going to ask you all to send notes to and call your elected officials - State House and Senate, and ask them to support HB 5599 as it stands without amendments and to vote down any other amendments brought to the floor that would create loopholes for ATV owners to avoid registration AND IDENTIFICATION. I would also like you to contact Senator Don Williams office with the same message, to give him some 'cover' and remind him of his promise to kill any bill that allows for loopholes in the registration effort. Senator William's contact information email - Williams@senatedems.ct.gov

The phone number is 860-240-8600 (In this case you won't get to speak to the Senator directly, but ask if you can talk to May Flexor in Senator Williams office. He has a long history with the ATV issue and is informally assigned to it for the Senator.

You should both call and email - particularly if you have photos of ATV damage you can add to the email.

If you want to find out who your state legislators are go to the website http://www.cga.ct.gov and follow the search engine links. You can also view 5599 and other ATVrelated bills and information.

Good points to make when talking about the registration and identification issue for ATV.

1. There is currently a loophole in the registration statutes allowing ATV to be unregistered for use on their own land. Out of the 70,000 ATV estimated in CT now, only 4000 of them of registered.

2. Registration allows the ATV community to create a pot of money that will buy them lands to ride on.

3. Land trusts, trails groups, conservation non-profits, private landowners all raise the money to buy their own lands - these lands are being illegally trespassed on now by the unregistered ATVriders.
Why should the ATV riders get a free ride?

4. Land trusts, nonprofits, trails groups also raise money to maintain land and trails, they organize volunteers to do the work, hiring lawyers, doing surveys etc. Why should the ATV community be held to less of a standard than the conservation community...for a more impactive use?

5. ATV are not the same as farm equipment or riding lawnmowers. Most opponents of ATV registration do not want to pay local property taxes on their recreational vehicles. At this time boat owners, hunters and
horse back riders are paying property taxes and fees for their recreation. ATV dealers do not want the registration because they feel that people who are in the market to buy an ATV will leave the state to do so if their is off dealership registration requirements.

6. We encourage the state to find places for ATV use, but that shouldn't include our state forests. State forests were created for natural resource protection, as wildlife habitat for plants and animals and for passive recreation. They were not purchased to become race tracks. ATV use creates considerable damage to trails, wetlands,
and plant life.

Please pass this along to anyone you know who cares about this issue.

Thanks -

Patty Pendergast
Connecticut Forest & Park Association
860-346-2372
ppendergast@ctwoodlands.org


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Please do your part...take 5 minutes call and email....the bill is at a critical juncture...it may fail in the next two days

nhiker
May 25th, 2005, 11:18 AM
I would assume that this is aimed a Conn. Nemba folks ....only conn residents should follow this? yes?

Big Game
May 25th, 2005, 12:35 PM
If you come to Connecitcut to ride and the ATvs have interferred with your enjoyment, I owuld believe you would have a right, no a duty, to call.

Slider
May 25th, 2005, 12:58 PM
Done. Emailed Cardin and Gugliemo.

ATVs suck.

Slider

ssnoobie
May 25th, 2005, 01:37 PM
6. We encourage the state to find places for ATV use, but that shouldn't include our state forests. State forests were created for natural resource protection, as wildlife habitat for plants and animals and for passive recreation. They were not purchased to become race tracks. ATV use creates considerable damage to trails, wetlands,
and plant life.


This is dangerous language. Most people would not classify mountain biking as passive recreation. It reminds me of the "no mechanized transport" language. It was probably not targeted at bikes, but can be interpreted as such. The "race tracks" language is also quite inflammatory and probably not a realistic description of the problems with ATVs on land. Most of the ATV related damage I have seen comes from ATVs just riding along not racing.

It sounds like a pretty important item for land users. If I were a resident of CT I would definitely respond.

Jisch
May 26th, 2005, 10:14 AM
done

Slider
May 26th, 2005, 10:48 AM
Ron,
Thanks for your e-mail - you do have my support for this measure.

Thanks for keeping in touch with me.
Sincerely,

Michael Cardin
State Representative
Chairman, Select Committee on Children
Ashford, Tolland & Willington

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:55 PM
To: Rep. Cardin, Mike
Subject: Please support HB 5599 as it stands without amendments

Representative Cardin,

I am an avid mountain biker from Ashford, who has seen first hand the immense destruction of trail systems caused by ATV use. These wide-track motorized vehicles have no place on hiking and biking trails, and require ATV-specific locations to contain and allow more effective remediation of the damage they do. The funds collected undr HB 5599 will enable creation of ATV parks, and help discourage illegal trail use.

Thanks for helping to control this problem.

pitt83
May 26th, 2005, 10:56 AM
A couple months ago, we wrote and issued a position statment regarding this legislation. Basically, it espouses the DEP position as sound and reasonable for everyone involved. Basically, it places the motorized users in charge of their own fate and asks that they manage their own resoucrces through real effort and funds from registration of their machines. See http://www.ctnemba.com/portal/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid= 26&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

for the position statment. Also, attached here.

talisman
May 26th, 2005, 12:20 PM
Done, Urban and Cook were sent e-mails. It will be interesting to see if any positive changes come about.

magruder2
May 26th, 2005, 08:42 PM
I've let the State know that I'm opposed to this legislation. Forcing ATV riders to register their machines when there is zero legal riding in CT doesn't make any sense to me.

I've been down this road before. I already know the outcome. The legislation won't pass and they'll re-write it again for the 10th year in a row.

Before any flames come my way, stop and think! I have no love for ATV's, but you can't tax someone for something they can't legally use. Try taxing marijuana, every good CT resident would step right up to the plate and pay up, right?

As far as the Blue Trails go. Why don't we talk about how your group hijacked one of my State approved dirt bike trails with your blue blazes. I know where you stand.

I want the freedom to do it all. Hike, mountain bike, ski, fish, boat, windsurf and ride my dirt bike. I've been doing all since I was a kid, and I want my kids to have the same choices.

I don't have an answer to the ATV problem, and mine has never left my property. Don't think for a second I will ever allow it to be taxed as anything more than a riding mower. I have no where to legally ride it if I were ever inclined too.

Harryhonda250
May 27th, 2005, 10:54 AM
So make up your minds. Is nemba for or against 5599? It is a bill that ATVers and non-ATVers can finally agree on.

loki
May 27th, 2005, 01:30 PM
i'm new and reg just to respond to this subject .i ride ,MB,dirtbikes ,and atvs.as well as fish and don't understand where you people get off .why can't everyone just get along and ride happly together .what makes you any better to ride in the state forest .oh yea your B.S. claim that you have less of a impact than the atvers if you really want to save the forest then everyone needs to stay out of it .i've been following the closing of the savoy state forest in mass .and they are already regreting it .the financial loss of banning the atvers from savoy will be devistating to it .3.2 billon a year for the local economy .yes everyone of you holy rollers are happy now ,but will you be happy if it stays closed from the atvs for 5 years and then closes to everyone becouse the state can't afford to keep it open .what you fail to realize the the money that comes to a state that allows leagel riding of all sorts .it would benifet everyone to get along and ride together the money that comes in can expand riding of all sorts ,allow for new land and trail upkeep for everyone to enjoy .and lastly i don't know about any of you but i own a MB that i paid a little over $2000 for and i love to ride ,but i pay the state nothing to ride .how long before the state has no where for anyof us to ride becouse of lack of funds .

Harrys lil bro
May 27th, 2005, 02:30 PM
You have got to be kidding me >:( I use my ATV for yard work and to plow my driveway ONLY. Do you pay taxes and registration fees on your snow blower lawn mower and tiller? This type of radical behavior angers me. Your group of individuals act like communists what is wrong with you people? What’s next will you form some strange cult

Slider
May 27th, 2005, 02:48 PM
The problem: ATVs suck. They ruin trails. They trash state forests.

The counterpoint: Some people use them responsibly

The bottom line: They still trash trails

The solution: Make their owners fund remediation and dedicated ride areas.

Got another solution for the problem? Let's hear it.

Slider

magruder2
May 27th, 2005, 04:00 PM
The solution: Make their owners fund remediation and dedicated ride areas.

Got another solution for the problem? Let's hear it.

Slider


You missed the problem here. ATV registrations provide the funds. The State has a law on the books that it must provide legal riding areas in return for collection of those funds. There are no legal riding areas in all of CT. i.e. The State of CT is violating it's own law.

Everyone that use trails impacts them in some way. They "Trash" the trails. (your term)

ATV's blow out the single track trails. I agree, and I don't approve. MTB's braid the trails around water and mud holes by using sally lines. Who wants to peddle with soaking wet shoes? Horse hoofs dig up hard pack more than tires. It's just a fact, let's not dwell on it. Hikers leave trash and wear down footpaths just from volume. Look and many sections of the AT in western CT. The solution that you describe is easy, except when it gets to State government. What then?

You can't tax something that you can't legally ride. Simple answer, and that will be the result of this bill. Just watch.

sierradmax
May 27th, 2005, 09:57 PM
I ride both ATVS and Mountain Bikes and both parties should get together and forumulate a plan to bring to the state. CT, RI, and MA all suggest to register ATVS but RI and CT do not have legal riding areas and are losing alot of money in the process. I can bet that ATV use within each state will not decrease and registration will not increase. The only time when ATv use will decrease is when fuel shortage will hit. Lucky for you mountain bikers, they are predicting that to happen in 5-10 years so for now, let us have our fun then we will be peddling like the rest of you.

Everyone I ride atvs with wouldn't think twice to go down a 26" wide singletrack trails whether on private land or state land. We stick to trails associated for atv use only. Don't hold a whole group of atv riders under suspicion for a handfull of bad eggs.

Slider
May 28th, 2005, 07:20 AM
It is not hard to tax ATVs at the point of sale, or to earmark the resulting funds for land acquisition or trail repair.

Seems like the right solution to me.

Slider