Freedom in the US? What's that?

[felixatvtc]

This is great news, our system is collapsing and they (our government) are already setting up camps for the non-conformers.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html

Maybe this should have been in the fascism thread

[TrailBate]

that's a tad far-fetched, even for me! ;)

nothing like getting a story off a site that says it's the biggest conspiracy site on the net!

[Ben-O]

From a site that also claims government conspiracies in "portals to travel across space-time", "anti-gravity fighter discs", and "electrochromatic invisibility panels", I'm not too too worried about this right this moment.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/portals.html
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/fighterdisc.html
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/cloak.html

[TrailBate]

how about this one?

FULL STORY by Daniel Stacey, London
May 09, 2005

A FORMER British military official has backed a sensational claim that the Russian nuclear submarine, the Kursk, was torpedoed by US forces in August 2000.

An official inquest concluded that the disaster – in which all 118 crew drowned in the Barents Sea, 135km off the Russian coast – was caused by an accidental explosion of an onboard torpedo.

But Maurice Stradling, a former torpedo engineer and a key figure in the original investigation, believes a new French documentary, The Kursk: A Submarine in Troubled Waters, should change world opinion on the sinking.

"On the balance of probabilities, the Kursk was sunk by an American MK-48 torpedo," said Mr Stradling, formerly a senior member of the British Defence Ministry.

BBC editor Nick Fraser called the claim a "pack of lies" and has refused to air the documentary, which attracted a record audience of more than 4 million when it screened on French TV.

The BBC used Mr Stradling as its main authority for a documentary it made in 2001 – What Sank the Kursk?, in which Mr Stradling theorised that the sinking was caused by the malfunctioning of an old-fashioned HTP torpedo.

Mr Stradling, who also appears in the new French documentary, said: "At the time (2001), that was a perfectly reasonable film, given the facts as we knew them then, when there seemed to be no third-party involvement,"

The new explanation for the Kursk's downing is based on film footage of a hole in the side of the vessel, and evidence placing US submarines in the area at the time it was sunk.

The French film shows stills of the Kursk raised above the water after being salvaged, with a precise circular hole in its right side. The hole clearly bends inwards, consistent with an attack from outside the submarine.

A US military source in the documentary declares the hole to be the trademark evidence of an American MK-48 torpedo, which is made to melt cleanly through steel sheet due to a mechanism at its tip that combusts copper.

The film suggests the attack happened while two US submarines, the Toledo and Memphis, were shadowing the Kursk in a routine military exercise.

The documentary says the Toledo accidentally collided with the Kursk, at which point the Russian submarine opened its torpedo tubes, leading to an attack from the Memphis, which was protecting the damaged Toledo while it retreated.

The cause of the sinking was covered up at the time in an act of diplomacy between then US presidents Bill Clinton and Russian President Vladimir Putin – a deal that included the cancellation of $US10 billion ($12.5 billion) of Russian debt, the film states.

After the documentary received its only public broadcast in Britain, some claimed the Russian navy had drilled the hole and fed doctored footage to the film-makers to create a false impression.

[Ben-O]

I still don't understand why the government didn't just use their time traveling portal and electrochromatic invisibility panels to go back in time and avoid the submarine attack.

.....unless they WANTED the attack to happen all along!?! :o

[felixatvtc]

that's a tad far-fetched, even for me! ;)

nothing like getting a story off a site that says it's the biggest conspiracy site on the net!


My Bad, i should have ran that by your first. I forget that you spend a lot more time on the net then I :P ;)
Yeah the camps maybe are far fetched, but it's only a matter of time IMO

[kernel crash]

Maybe the government plans to round up some of those neo nazis that were in Boston this weekend. I heard one protester complain that the Boston police seemed to be going out of their way to "protect" the nazis. Hey buddy. They have freedom of speach as well as you do. Lets see. There were a few dozen nazis and several hundred protesters. Hmm, what would have happened I wonder. Would have made for some real good footage for the 6 o'clock news. Especially during sweeps month. Damn the torpedos. More at eleven.

[felixatvtc]

Freedom of Speach? What's that? I can't recall that happening in a long long time. Actually i do, i think things changed once people started winning big $ settlements on....being offended charges. ::)

As for the Natzi's...I don't agree with there cause, but i do believe they have a right to believe it as long as they aren't acting on it.

[nhiker]

There has always been laughable ******** like this going on. After that Air Egypt liner went down off long Island wasn't it Pierre Salinger the former kennedy aide that came out with a book blaming the US Navy testing either a missil or a new laser system. Also after 911 there were those particularly in France who claimed to have documented evidence that the CIA was behind the hijacking either passivley or activly again this was presented to the French public on TV...I believe. Then we can go back to the Kennedy assasinations for more theories. Fun sorta like mental masturbation for bored frustrated fiction writers.

[TrailBate]

My favorite is the one about KAL 007, the 747 that was shot down by the commies over Kamchatka. Evidently, the plane was able to make a successful water landing (ditching) and a lot of passengers survived, were taken prisoner, and to this day are working the gulags in Siberia.

Unfortunately, it is not disputed that the plane actually survived the missile attack, and was able to make a semi-controlled decent to some point.

[felixatvtc]

Then we can go back to the Kennedy assasinations for more theories. Fun sorta like mental masturbation for bored frustrated fiction writers.


Good Lord! Please don't tell me you ACTUALLY believe Oswald did it ::)

[Mr_Cheeze]

Unfortunately, there is a real subculture of paranoid conspiracists out there. Anyone who has ever heard the Alex Jones radio show could testify. Talk about a wacko! The popular theory being bandied about these days is that our own government were complicit in the 9/11 terrorist attacks, all perpetuated by the Illuminati and the New World Order. By creating terror, and sacrificing lives, you see, the people become fearful and submit to tyranny, and those in power gain more of it. That's not to mention the dozen or so different examples of particular persons within the towers who were targets.

Way out stuff, but entertaining in a wierd sort of way. You can check it out here:

http://www.infowars.com/

[Rych]

Is there anything on this site about shimano's mind control device which is used to convince us that 9 speed technology is as good and strong as 8 speed technology?

[slapheadmofo]

Is there anything on this site about shimano's mind control device which is used to convince us that 9 speed technology is as good and strong as 8 speed technology?


:) I'm still running and buying 8 speed stuff and will as long as I can keep getting it. 9 speed sux.