Parent teaches son about the legal system while protecting him from homos

[TrailBate]

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/4424727/detail.html

[bdee]

Dude, that is soooo gay. What a homo! I mean really, what kind of fag won't let his kid learn about same sex marriage?? For Christ sake he's probably some ultra religous right wing wacko!! People sure are queer, eh?

[TrailBate]

He should move to Alabama


Republican Alabama lawmaker Gerald Allen says homosexuality is an unacceptable lifestyle. As CBS News Correspondent Mark Strassmann reports, under his bill, public school libraries could no longer buy new copies of plays or books by gay authors, or about gay characters.

"I don't look at it as censorship," says State Representative Gerald Allen. "I look at it as protecting the hearts and souls and minds of our children."

Books by any gay author would have to go: Tennessee Williams, Truman Capote and Gore Vidal. Alice Walker's novel "The Color Purple" has lesbian characters.

Allen originally wanted to ban even some Shakespeare. After criticism, he narrowed his bill to exempt the classics, although he still can't define what a classic is. Also exempted now Alabama's public and college libraries.

Librarian Donna Schremser fears the "thought police," would be patrolling her shelves.

"And so the idea that we would have a pristine collection that represents one political view, one religioius view, that's not a library,'' says Schremser.

"I think it's an absolutely absurd bill," says Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center.

First Amendment advocates say the ban clearly does amount to censorship.

"It's a Nazi book burning," says Potok. "You know, it's a remarkable piece of work."

But in book after book, Allen reads what he calls the "homosexual agenda," and he's alarmed.

"It's not healthy for America, it doesn't fit what we stand for," says Allen. "And they will do whatever it takes to reach their goal."

[Rych]

So this parent thought it should be up to him and his wife to decide when their five year should learn about sodomy? He must truly be evil.
I thought in kindergarten you learn ABCs, and 123s? This guy wasn’t even demanding that they stop teaching about homosexual marriage; he was demanding that he be notified when the subject is going to be taught so he could opt his child out of this curriculum

[mtbtom]

So this parent thought it should be up to him and his wife to decide when their five year should learn about sodomy? He must truly be evil.
I thought in kindergarten you learn ABCs, and 123s? This guy wasn’t even demanding that they stop teaching about homosexual marriage; he was demanding that he be notified when the subject is going to be taught so he could opt his child out of this curriculum


Was the subject matter sodomy or was it gay marriage? They're different things, you know. If you don't know what sodomy is look it up in the dictionary.

[CsharpDev]

Without ignorance the republican party would lose its power.

[Rych]

So this parent thought it should be up to him and his wife to decide when their five year should learn about sodomy? He must truly be evil.
I thought in kindergarten you learn ABCs, and 123s? This guy wasn’t even demanding that they stop teaching about homosexual marriage; he was demanding that he be notified when the subject is going to be taught so he could opt his child out of this curriculum


Was the subject matter sodomy or was it gay marriage? They're different things, you know. If you don't know what sodomy is look it up in the dictionary.


sod•om•y (sd-m)
n.

1. Anal copulation of one male with another.

Ok...I'm sure, and hope the teacher's are not teaching 5 year olds about the mechanics of straight or homosexual relationships. The point is this dad does not want "gay" marriage taught to his kid, again it is HIS kid. He does not want to have to answer the inevitable questions from his five year old about makes a homosexual marriage happy or gay. This argument has nothing to do with gay or straight lifestyles; it has to do with parental rights. If this father does not want the school teaching his kids new math it his right to opt his child out of the class. I love how liberal have their buzz words for people of differing opinions, homophobe, racist, ignorant, or even republican.

[stich]

Without ignorance the republican party would lose its power.


And without Gay Liberals, the democratic party would go away.
Oh how I wish.

[Rocktail]

Has anyone else noticed the way people have started using the word liberal? It has turned into this "evil" word. "Those liberals..." "You f'n liberal...." The other day I was cut off by this dude in traffic. I gave him a friendly beep and he called me an f'n liberal out his window...the only reason i was offended was because of the way he said it...like the way they used to call people commies...

what's so wrong with the word? well i can tell you that if you do not like being called a liberal, than your mind has been molded by mainstream rhetoric. try thinking for yourself....

[EVIL BOTA]

I wouldn't want my kid learning about same sex marriges in elementry school. What purpose does it serve.I don't want to explain to my kid why 2 men or women are married. I could care less what people do,but Let the kids grow up a little a make there own decisions about sexuality. Not in elementry school. The guy took it to far,but I think he has a right to complain.

[mtbtom]

sod•om•y (sd-m)
n.

1. Anal copulation of one male with another.

Ok...I'm sure, and hope the teacher's are not teaching 5 year olds about the mechanics of straight or homosexual relationships.


If you know this, then what is your point in dragging out the "S" word ? To degrade people who have lifestyles you don't approve of ? ? ?

The term "liberal" became a derogatory remark because intolerant Hatemongers and talk radio show hosts who appeal to the lowest common demoniator made it that way. I'd say the above is a pretty good example of appealing to the lowest common denomiator on an issue.

[Slider]

I think this is the crux of the problem:

"Parker said school officials have continued to tell him he has no right to control whether his child is taught about gay marriage."

Yes, they do. He doesn't set the curriculum, the school board does. If he has a problem, work to change their policies. He was arrested for not leaving the school, not for objecting to the curriculum.

But he'd be missing a crucial point. The state says the marrriages are legal. The kid will encounter gay couples, and their children. The school's role is to help prepare him for society, all aspects of it. Time for this bigot to suck it up.

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[Rocktail]

i would like to contribute more to this online chat, but my favorite comedian is live on primetime dodging questions about social security, philibusters, and missle defense. instead, he is making up fun new words like peninshoola...

[Rocktail]

oh and one more thing....i've met tons of libertarians who take it apon themselves to homeschool their children. this angry father can certainly do that....if he really cares...

[AA]

Time for this bigot to suck it up.


I don’t know the guy and I'm assuming that you don’t either. My guess is he is a protective parent, I think it’s a stretch to label him a bigot without knowing more about him.

Here is a quote from Mr. Parker


"What I am saying is, because of the same-sex marriage law, people are treating it as a mandate to teach the youngest of children. It is not a mandate to teach the youngest of children, particularly if parents say, 'Hold on, I want to be the gatekeeper of the information. It is not that I don't want my child to ever learn it, it is I want to control the timing and manner,'" Parker said.


I think that is the crux of the issue. This parent obviously feels that 6 is too young to bring up this topic. These are touchy issues and I think this may get more parents involved.

[priss]

Johnny has two daddies/mommies

Daddy, how can johnny have 2 daddies? You always told me that babies come from mommies tummy? How does that work? Daddy, can you have a baby? Why not? Johnny's daddy had one? Did'nt he?

Are these the questions we need to be answering to 5 year olds?

I suppose it will all seem perfectly natural when they explain how evolution led our species to a-sexuality.

I hear next week the NRA is coming to class to teach the toddlers how to clean a handgun and protect themselves on the front lawn without retreat.

What do i care anyway. My kids are in private school.

[stich]

what's so wrong with the word? well i can tell you that if you do not like being called a liberal, than your mind has been molded by mainstream rhetoric. try thinking for yourself....



I don't think it's so much the word , it' s more about what Liberals stand for.

You may want to brush up on what it takes to become a good (but more acurately a No-good ) Liberal :

http://freedomkeys.com/liberal.htm

[EVIL BOTA]

I'm sorry ,but I agree with this guy. 6 is to young. Let them teach it to them in High school. A 6 year old can't form his own opinion yet. I personally don't agree with same sex marriages.
But I'll never tell or push that on my kids . I want them to decide when they are mature enough to make that decision. I don't believe in god ,but I don't tell them that either. I want them to make that decision for them selves also. Why do we need to give our kids controversial information like that? Let them be kids and when they reach adulthood they can make up their own minds..

[Slider]

You're saying that, if the topic were heterosexual marriage, he'd have had the same objections? I don't think so.

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[TrailBate]

To me, it seems the point of teaching about kids with 2 fathers or 2 mothers is because many kids out there actually have 2 fathers or 2 mothers. Kids should be taught to understand and accept other children who have different households. It's not about encouraging homosexuality or even accepting it, just understanding that some of their 6 year old friends just might live in households like this.


Then I wonder; What traumatized this kid more? The book about 2 fathers, or watching his daddy get arrested in his school? It is now possible this kid has just learned to hate gays and cops.

[Rocktail]

well there are many different threads going on here. going back to the homophobic (and yes he fears gays otherwise he would not have held up the school b/c of it) man....he was upset b/c of a book in a library. the issue here is not even teaching kids about gay marriage....it's about a child bringing home a book with gay parents in it. come on folks! do we have to rely on ernie, bert, spongebob, and teletubbies for our children's early childhood sex ed???? and yes, there is such a thing as early child hood sex ed and that is called treating other human beings with respect. that's probably why there are so many divorces today. no one respects each other. we have no honest child hood role models. im not saying we should shove gay marriage in these kids faces, but we do need to grow up and face the truth with our children. gays will be gays, and homophobes will be homophobes if they don't learn respect early on in life....

ahhhh....can't wait to do some riding this weekend....

[CsharpDev]

I vaguely remember learning in elementry school that some kids don't live with a mommy and daddy, they only have a mommy or a daddy, or they might live with an aunt and/or uncle, or there grand parents, or even adopted.

I don't think they are trying to teach gay or straight relationships here, just that families are different.

Tolerance needs to be taught at all ages.

I don't like gay marriage, but I accept it. They are human just as I am and deserve the same rights and privledges. Can't we all just get along... Sorry for being such a Libral

[BG]

Geeeze, i suppose there is nothing that you wouldn't find offensive or you wouldn't want your 6 year old taught about or exposed to in public school, 'cause it's out there and they NEED to know about it. Man, just about anything could and should be taught in public school to a 6 year old. Think of the possibilities of their advancement.
I like the NRA deal, maybe a lot more on drugs and violent crime, how about the legalities of adultry and don't forget the couples who are BI or SM. Ahh f*uck it, they get enough of that at home anyway just watching TV. Or maybe even mom and dad or dad and dad or mom and mom or mom and dad and aunt Chris or...

BG

[stich]

I myself think they should play Archie Bunker reruns for these kids iin school twice a week. :o

Stich

[Slider]

Geeeze, i suppose there is nothing that you wouldn't find offensive or you wouldn't want your 6 year old taught about or exposed to in public school, 'cause it's out there and they NEED to know about it.BG


What exactly was offensive in the book?

Sure there are things that don't need to be taught. This just isn't one of them.


I myself think they should play Archie Bunker reruns for these kids iin school twice a week. :o

Stich


We know, we know....

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[EVIL BOTA]

well there are many different threads going on here. going back to the homophobic (and yes he fears gays otherwise he would not have held up the school b/c of it) man....he was upset b/c of a book in a library. the issue here is not even teaching kids about gay marriage....it's about a child bringing home a book with gay parents in it. come on folks! do we have to rely on ernie, bert, spongebob, and teletubbies for our children's early childhood sex ed???? and yes, there is such a thing as early child hood sex ed and that is called treating other human beings with respect. that's probably why there are so many divorces today. no one respects each other. we have no honest child hood role models. im not saying we should shove gay marriage in these kids faces, but we do need to grow up and face the truth with our children. gays will be gays, and homophobes will be homophobes if they don't learn respect early on in life....

ahhhh....can't wait to do some riding this weekend....



I wondering, do any of you have kids? This lame statement of get with the times, this is the 21st century. That makes it right. What if it's wrong . Because every one wants to be politically correct I have to go along. Or every time someone makes a comment about gay marriage being wrong .Their a homophobe or a bigot . I don't want my kid to think its right,because some teacher says so. I want them to learn about it when the can think for them selves and decide. 6 year old kids will take what ever you tell them and be O.K. with it. So if some teacher (who is a role model )tells my 6year old kid that it’s O.K. He or she is going to believe them, because their and adult who they look up to.
It's wrong to teach kids about it @ that age.


Or maybe I'm just a Neanderthal who doesn't go to church, likes guns ,eats meat,is pro choice and drives a SUV . Who wants the death penalty for pedophiles . But what do I know I'm just a turn key..

[TrailBate]

I have a kid. What's your point? This is a book for a 6 year old. Do you really think it has a picture of a young child, with gay sex in the background, and a caption that says, " some kids live with butt rangers and carpet munchers. It's okay to be gay. You should be too."
Maybe they shouldn't teach kids about the colors pink and purple? It might make them gay. Kids better stop taking gym class, because the locker room might make them gay. Better stop making kids hold hands when they cross the street or go on field trips.
If my 6 year old came home and said, "why does this kid have 2 daddies?", I would probably reply with something like, "only one is his daddy, the other is just a family friend who lives with them." which would be close enough to the truth for now. .
Showing up in class to get arrested is probably the absolute most moronic way to go about this. He probably scared his kid, the other kids, and probably a lot of kid's parents.

[Goldstar78i]

According to that article the book in question wasn't forced onto kids by anyone at the school. I don't think its like the teacher sat down and had the kids read along or anything.

If the school lets the parent control how much of that book is portrayed, where is the right to complain?

I don't agree with any part of homosexuality, but its not going to go away. Kids should be able to know why there are two man families.

[TrailBate]

I looked at the book on Amazon.com. It says it calls the family with two fathers, "the Father and his partner." Which any parent can make to mean whatever they want.

[TrailBate]

Has anyone else noticed the way people have started using the word liberal? It has turned into this "evil" word. "Those liberals..." "You f'n liberal...." The other day I was cut off by this dude in traffic. I gave him a friendly beep and he called me an f'n liberal out his window...the only reason i was offended was because of the way he said it...like the way they used to call people commies...

what's so wrong with the word? well i can tell you that if you do not like being called a liberal, than your mind has been molded by mainstream rhetoric. try thinking for yourself....




The Princess Bride: "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means."

[Mr_Cheeze]

Then I wonder; What traumatized this kid more? The book about 2 fathers, or watching his daddy get arrested in his school? It is now possible this kid has just learned to hate gays and cops.


This is a great point. What message is worse, have your child being taught at an impressionable, young age, not about homosexuality and it's intricacies, but the simple message of tolerance. Is that worse than showing your child that it's ok to hate? Because that's exactly what happened in this case.

That being said, tolerance is the extent to which alternate lifestyles should be taught in public schools. That's all that needs to be taught. Nobody is talking about teaching sodomy, for Christ's sake. That's just ridiculus to even mention.

Beside, if it's that big of a deal, there are many private, religious schools that wouild be more than happy to teach your child that homosexuality is a sin and that you will go to hell should you partake of this lifestyle. Perhaps Mr. Parker might find those institutions more to his liking.

[felixatvtc]

Sodomy:
1. Any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality.
2. Anal copulation of one male with another.
3. Anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
4. Copulation with an animal.

Before you nutjobs put sodomy and gays in the same boat. It apears that IF ANY of you ever got a BJ....guess what...you are a sodomite. I've always been told/read/learned that "sodomy is any type of sexual act that is not ment for procreation"

When you think about the overpopulation of this country, the natural resources we are pissing away like draft beer at a frat party....homosexuality is completely under-rated. Next time you get a good parking space, or your not stuck in traffic, buy a homo a drink. He wasn't the guy that spit out 4 ugly kids that are clogging the roads.

Seriously, when i was six years old i didn't give a sh*t about timmy's parents. I was too busy playing kickball, soccer, baseball. Basically it all comes back to piss poor parenting. They want there kids to grow up in this fake little bubble that they make for them....I could write more on this but i fear i've already wasted enough time on deaf ears.

[Rych]

sod•om•y (sd-m)
n.

1. Anal copulation of one male with another.

Ok...I'm sure, and hope the teacher's are not teaching 5 year olds about the mechanics of straight or homosexual relationships.


If you know this, then what is your point in dragging out the "S" word ? To degrade people who have lifestyles you don't approve of ? ? ?

The term "liberal" became a derogatory remark because intolerant Hatemongers and talk radio show hosts who appeal to the lowest common demoniator made it that way. I'd say the above is a pretty good example of appealing to the lowest common denomiator on an issue.

You're the one saying it's a derogatory term. I have one close friend who is gay, just out of the closet 2 years ago. I've never known him to be happier, and that's cool. I just want to be the one who will decide when my child learns about alternative lifestyles. I think it's funny that my daughter's school would not allow evil decorations depicting the easter bunny, but I cannot choose to opt my child out of learning about what I concider an adult subject.

[Rych]

You're saying that, if the topic were heterosexual marriage, he'd have had the same objections? I don't think so.

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He might not have the same objections, but it is his choice. This is why we need a school voucher program. If I don't like the public school program that my tax dollars are purchasing, I should recieve a voucher to help with the cost of private school. Let the market decide what is being taught the children.

[Rych]

To me, it seems the point of teaching about kids with 2 fathers or 2 mothers is because many kids out there actually have 2 fathers or 2 mothers. Kids should be taught to understand and accept other children who have different households. It's not about encouraging homosexuality or even accepting it, just understanding that some of their 6 year old friends just might live in households like this.


Then I wonder; What traumatized this kid more? The book about 2 fathers, or watching his daddy get arrested in his school? It is now possible this kid has just learned to hate gays and cops.

"many kids out there actually have 2 fathers or 2 mothers" Many? The gay population is like 15%, and what percentage of them are married, and of them how many have kids. This is just a case of a motivated minority pushing thier agenda.

I actually respect this parent for being arrested. He's shined a light on a subject that the whole country is talking about.

I think it's funny that the teacher's union complain they do not have enought time to teach the basics so the kids can pass the MCAS, yet they have time to teach about a alternative lifestyle.

[TrailBate]

"many kids out there actually have 2 fathers or 2 mothers" Many? The gay population is like 15%, and what percentage of them are married, and of them how many have kids. This is just a case of a motivated minority pushing thier agenda.

I actually respect this parent for being arrested. He's shined a light on a subject that the whole country is talking about.

I think it's funny that the teacher's union complain they do not have enought time to teach the basics so the kids can pass the MCAS, yet they have time to teach about a alternative lifestyle.



yes, many. Thousands. Did I say majority? no. Many. as in lots. More than a couple.
Motivated minority pushing their agenda. What is this? Gay people are trying to make everyone else gay? now who is being paranoid?
Respect for getting arrested. Very nice. Yes, let's respect the guy who showed up at a school, caused a disturbance, refused to leave, and had to be arrested. Gays, bad. Public disturbance, good.
I dont' see how anybody is teaching anyone a particular lifestyle. THe kid brought home a book that showed many different types of family. God Forbid! How dare anyone teach acceptance and tolerance!

[Rych]

"many kids out there actually have 2 fathers or 2 mothers" Many? The gay population is like 15%, and what percentage of them are married, and of them how many have kids. This is just a case of a motivated minority pushing thier agenda.

I actually respect this parent for being arrested. He's shined a light on a subject that the whole country is talking about.

I think it's funny that the teacher's union complain they do not have enought time to teach the basics so the kids can pass the MCAS, yet they have time to teach about a alternative lifestyle.



yes, many. Thousands. Did I say majority? no. Many. as in lots. More than a couple.
Motivated minority pushing their agenda. What is this? Gay people are trying to make everyone else gay? now who is being paranoid?
Respect for getting arrested. Very nice. Yes, let's respect the guy who showed up at a school, caused a disturbance, refused to leave, and had to be arrested. Gays, bad. Public disturbance, good.
I dont' see how anybody is teaching anyone a particular lifestyle. THe kid brought home a book that showed many different types of family. God Forbid! How dare anyone teach acceptance and tolerance!


Thousands? In Lexington wow! Lexington must be the new P-town. I'd venture to bet that thier is no more than 2 same sex partners with children in the school system.

If this book is just in the library then I don't see what the fuss is. But required work should require parental permission.

I don't see this dad's arrest any different than any civil disobedient action.
If he was getting arrested for protesting the Iraq war you’d be squarely in his corner.

[mtbtom]

You're the one saying it's a derogatory term. I have one close friend who is gay, just out of the closet 2 years ago. I've never known him to be happier, and that's cool. I just want to be the one who will decide when my child learns about alternative lifestyles. I think it's funny that my daughter's school would not allow evil decorations depicting the easter bunny, but I cannot choose to opt my child out of learning about what I concider an adult subject.



And you're the one that likened the schools curriculum on gay marriage to teaching sodomy in the classroom ! What's up with that? This is the same type of bull-**** that flies out of the mouths of miserable intolerant Hatemongers like Michael Savage and Howie fuckin Carr on a nightly basis, and when I hear it I want to stifle it.

[TrailBate]

I don't see this dad's arrest any different than any civil disobedient action.
If he was getting arrested for protesting the Iraq war you’d be squarely in his corner.



yeah, you're right. Protesting a war in a public space, and protesting a book in an elementary school while trespassing are exactly the same. ::)

If my kid went to this school, i'd be pretty upset that a guy had to be forcibly removed from my child's school. I'd be looking into a restraining order for this guy.

[Rych]

You're the one saying it's a derogatory term. I have one close friend who is gay, just out of the closet 2 years ago. I've never known him to be happier, and that's cool. I just want to be the one who will decide when my child learns about alternative lifestyles. I think it's funny that my daughter's school would not allow evil decorations depicting the easter bunny, but I cannot choose to opt my child out of learning about what I concider an adult subject.



And you're the one that likened the schools curriculum on gay marriage to teaching sodomy in the classroom ! What's up with that? This is the same type of bull-**** that flies out of the mouths of miserable intolerant Hatemongers like Michael Savage and Howie fuckin Carr on a nightly basis, and when I hear it I want to stifle it.


Regardless, whether the school is teaching the sexual act, or just 2 dads/moms living together, it’s up to the parent what his/her child is exposed too. This is a microcosm that shows the fundamental difference between the GOP and the Democrats, family vs. government.

Fun debating with you guys…but this filthy republican is heading up to Portsmouth to spin out a century for the Tour de Cure. Have a good weekend.

[CsharpDev]

from reading these posts it sounds like some people are saying it was just a book in the library that the child brought home, if that's the case I see no issue for debate. It appears to be an appropriot book for young people, it's not a gay sex manual or elementry romance - how to be gay during recess.

Some of you are acting as though its the new school curiculum. Well here at ABC Elementry we teach English, Math, Gay and Social Studies.

It used to be cool to hate black people... but we don't hate them anymore, which is good. Schools need to teach tolerance and acceptance because otherwise we inherit our parents prejudices and the hate continues. You have to start before they learn to hate. It's now becoming socialy acceptable to be publicly gay and people don't like that, just like they didn't like desegregation.

[Rych]

I don't see this dad's arrest any different than any civil disobedient action.
If he was getting arrested for protesting the Iraq war you’d be squarely in his corner.



yeah, you're right. Protesting a war in a public space, and protesting a book in an elementary school while trespassing are exactly the same. ::)

If my kid went to this school, i'd be pretty upset that a guy had to be forcibly removed from my child's school. I'd be looking into a restraining order for this guy.

He was arrested in a PUBLIC school after school hours(I believe), and he had an appointment to be there.

[TrailBate]

Regardless, whether the school is teaching the sexual act, or just 2 dads/moms living together, it’s up to the parent what his/her child is exposed too. This is a microcosm that shows the fundamental difference between the GOP and the Democrats, family vs. government.





Fine, then he should attend or organize a meeting about this. Getting arrested is nowhere near a logical or level headed approach.

And if each parent dictated what his or her kid can and can't be taught, how well do you think classes would function?

[TrailBate]

This is a microcosm that shows the fundamental difference between the GOP and the Democrats, family vs. government.





more like "tolerance vs. intolerance"

[felixatvtc]

Regardless, whether the school is teaching the sexual act, or just 2 dads/moms living together, it’s up to the parent what his/her child is exposed too. This is a microcosm that shows the fundamental difference between the GOP and the Democrats, family vs. government.





And if each parent dictated what his or her kid can and can't be taught, how well do you think classes would function?


EXACTLY! Rych if that's truely how you feel, i sure hope you home-school. Oh and don't you worry, when that child grows up and leaves your little bubble he won't feel lied too at all.....

[CsharpDev]

Maybe if John F. Kennedy hadn't aloud those black students to go to a white college, or if he didn't propose civil rights legislature before being assasinated, if only he had stood his ground and didn't "flip-flop" on the issue the black might have lost there fight for civil rights and then maybe the gays wouldn't be protesting now. Damn Liberals from Massachusetts...


...Proud to be a LIBERAL from Massachusetts...

[priss]

I was speaking to my Mom abut this last night and she had an interesting view that i thought you all might think about.

When she was in high school a 16 year old heterosexual girl could legaly marry, have sex, and bear children, while homosexual males were arrested and abortion was illegal.

Now you have to be 18 to marry, heterosexual males are arested for having sex with 16 year old girls, who have babies or abortions at will and out of wedlock, while homosexuals are getting married.

"Teach whatever you want" she said "there are no rules anymore, just the sway of public opinion"

I wonder what my grandchildren will be taught in school?

[TrailBate]

I wonder what my grandchildren will be taught in school?


marrying anyone from the plant Xoerrhho is bad. You must have plastic surgery by the time you are 12. You must have at least 8 children since we have 12 new planets to "free from tyranny"

[EVIL BOTA]

" trailbait....If my 6 year old came home and said, "why does this kid have 2 daddies?", I would probably reply with something like, "only one is his daddy, the other is just a family friend who lives with them." which would be close enough to the truth for now. .
Showing up in class to get arrested is probably the absolute most moronic way to go about this. He probably scared his kid, the other kids, and probably a lot of kid's parents. "

I would rather have to explain it instead of them learning it in school.
I never said getting arrested was a bright idea. Read my first post.

csharpdev...It used to be cool to hate black people... but we don't hate them anymore" What planet you on. Blacks may have it better now,but far from not being hated. I see it every day. They are still treated like second class citizens..

"felixatvtc...EXACTLY! Rych if that's truely how you feel, i sure hope you home-school. Oh and don't you worry, when that child grows up and leaves your little bubble he won't feel lied too at all.....

Bubble ....because I want my kid to be a kid and not have to worry about foolishness that adults talk about. @ 7,8 +9 the info they recieved @6 will turn into hate that much earlier. Because parents who can't let the kids decide for thems selves will tell their kids their same sex parents are fags or homos .lezbo's don't associate with them. Then you get into bulling and name calling about a subject that shouldn't be discussed until their mature enough.to figure it out.
But I guess that will be O.K. Hey Timmy your Dads Tommy and Fred are homos fags... You don't think that will start?

Why why can't it wait it freshman in High school? Kids that young are brutal and don't care or understand what their saying. I'd rather expalin it like trailbait said. Not some teacher who may or maynot believe the same as me.

[Mr_Cheeze]

csharpdev...It used to be cool to hate black people... but we don't hate them anymore" What planet you on. Blacks may have it better now,but far from not being hated. I see it every day. They are still treated like second class citizens..

"felixatvtc...EXACTLY! Rych if that's truely how you feel, i sure hope you home-school. Oh and don't you worry, when that child grows up and leaves your little bubble he won't feel lied too at all.....



Except the irony is that they are being treated as such by their own people and a select group of pro-affirmative action people who somehow feel that minorities just cannot compete in life without government intervention, essensially saying, "Hey, you people can't do it on your own, so we need laws to help you."

Bubble ....because I want my kid to be a kid and not have to worry about foolishness that adults talk about. @ 7,8 +9 the info they recieved @6 will turn into hate that much earlier. Because parents who can't let the kids decide for thems selves will tell their kids their same sex parents are fags or homos .lezbo's don't associate with them. Then you get into bulling and name calling about a subject that shouldn't be discussed until their mature enough.to figure it out.
But I guess that will be O.K. Hey Timmy your Dads Tommy and Fred are homos fags... You don't think that will start?

Why why can't it wait it freshman in High school? Kids that young are brutal and don't care or understand what their saying. I'd rather expalin it like trailbait said. Not some teacher who may or maynot believe the same as me.


Why can't what wait? I don't understand what you are objecting to. That the kids are being shown that there are people out there who live differently? The simple message is tolerance. That's it! How is this somehow damaging your child's ability to be a child? You prove to me that they are being taught anything but tolerance and maybe you have a legitimate gripe.

Here's more irony for ya. These religious wackos are the ones who are mostly lashing out at this sort of stuff. And yet, they claim to be followers of and adhere to the life of Jesus Christ, a great prophet whose simple message was tolerance.

Oh, but He didn't mean gays!

[Rocktail]

Then you get into bulling and name calling about a subject that shouldn't be discussed until their mature enough.to figure it out.
But I guess that will be O.K. Hey Timmy your Dads Tommy and Fred are homos fags... You don't think that will start?

Why why can't it wait it freshman in High school? Kids that young are brutal and don't care or understand what their saying. I'd rather expalin it like trailbait said. Not some teacher who may or maynot believe the same as me.


you sound like my mother! mom: "the reason i don't want you to be a lesbian is because of the low level of its acceptance in our society. life will be so hard for you!"

and the reason we have bullies is because of people like you who won't let same sex marriage even have a chance to be normal. i understand your fear of being the guy in town who is attempting such radical social change.....but if you feel safer siding with the bullies just remember you are letting them win....

[TrailBate]

Here's more irony for ya. These religious wackos are the ones who are mostly lashing out at this sort of stuff. And yet, they claim to be followers of and adhere to the life of Jesus Christ, a great prophet whose simple message was tolerance.

Oh, but He didn't mean gays!


I've had this argument with a christian recently. He said homosexuality is an abomination and a sin, blah blah, and that if he just let it happen, he would be just as bad as the homosexuals. It's his job as a messenger of the lord (or something like that) to help stop homosexuality.

'course, this guy also believes homosexuality is a choice, and with the right guidance (ie, the Bible) they can stop being gay.

This guy is otherwise very intelligent, so I just don't understand it.

[jerseygirl]

When we were in school, divorce was always kept hush-hush. I think it's just healthier for everyone involved if things are out in the open without some kind of stigma attached. Otherwise, children don't develop tolerence. It's not like we're disclosing the intimate sexual details of gay realtionships, just that it's o.k. for some children to have two mommies or daddies. Some of you may be forgetting the children of same sex marriages who need to be accepted just like everyone else in the classroom. When children are exposed to same-sex marriages, bi-racial marriages, blended families, etc., the children of these unions will be more readily embraced by their peers.

[nhiker]

Holy **** we have come away from when I was in primary school and you were a queer if you wore white socks to school. Tough world to bring kids up in. My kids are in there 20's thank god. But I agree that 5-6 is a little young to hear about the mechanics of sodomy....or cuninglingus or fellatio or any other sexual act for that matter. Yes Iknow it was about alternate families not buggery. And I believe that this parent had a right to voice his opinion and even make a spectacle of himself and get arrested. ( hmm guess no body taught this fellow about balance and picking your battles) Buuut He even has the right to pull his child out of this "PUBLIC" school and have him either home schooled as do many devout christians or "PRIVATE" schooled. But I was tought in school this country was founded as an escape from tyranny and as a place of tolerance!(Insert patriotic march hear) is in "MHO" anything but that now. I we have become intolerant fear driven and secular. So Yeah as a parent we still have the power and we can continue to guide or misguide young and impressionable minds in whatever way we see fit. I just wish that there was better training available out there for the parents. This is the hardest and scariest and ...most rewarding job I have ever had. I know for a fact that I made some mistakes some big ones and put some of my prejudices in thier heads And I think this guy may have made one here. Somehow my kids came out OK so maybe his will to.

I whish you all even greater success, no matter what you believe about God or homosexuals or liberals ;)! We all want a decent place for our kids to flourish in the end.

[kernel crash]

I saw this man interviewed on TV. Basically what he was saying was that he wished the school had given some fair warning that this would be brought up in school. His exact words were "gatekeeper". He felt that as the parent he was the gatekeeper and should have had the first shot at bringing up the subject. Is that unreasonable?

[mtbtom]

I've had this argument with a christian recently. He said homosexuality is an abomination and a sin, blah blah, and that if he just let it happen, he would be just as bad as the homosexuals. It's his job as a messenger of the lord (or something like that) to help stop homosexuality.


Please pass this message on to "the messenger of lord":



M.Y.O.F.B !



Thank you

[TrailBate]

I saw this man interviewed on TV. Basically what he was saying was that he wished the school had given some fair warning that this would be brought up in school. His exact words were "gatekeeper". He felt that as the parent he was the gatekeeper and should have had the first shot at bringing up the subject. Is that unreasonable?


no. But he went about it the wrong way, I think. Plus he said this was part of the "gay agenda", so I think he wanted to have the first shot at telling his kids that homos are bad.

[nhiker]

I saw this man interviewed on TV. Basically what he was saying was that he wished the school had given some fair warning that this would be brought up in school. His exact words were "gatekeeper". He felt that as the parent he was the gatekeeper and should have had the first shot at bringing up the subject. Is that unreasonable?


No not at all Pull his kid out of public schools and be the first to teach him whatever the hell he wants. This is the world how ever and there are others of us here.

I hope he teaches his kid the spelling and meaning of....

T. O. L. E. R. A. N. C. E.

[huff'npuff]

Then you get into bulling and name calling about a subject that shouldn't be discussed until their mature enough.to figure it out.
But I guess that will be O.K. Hey Timmy your Dads Tommy and Fred are homos fags... You don't think that will start?

Why why can't it wait it freshman in High school? Kids that young are brutal and don't care or understand what their saying. I'd rather expalin it like trailbait said. Not some teacher who may or maynot believe the same as me.


you sound like my mother! mom: "the reason i don't want you to be a lesbian is because of the low level of its acceptance in our society. life will be so hard for you!"

and the reason we have bullies is because of people like you who won't let same sex marriage even have a chance to be normal. i understand your fear of being the guy in town who is attempting such radical social change.....but if you feel safer siding with the bullies just remember you are letting them win....




"and the reason we have bullies is because of people like you who won't let same sex marriage even have a chance to be normal."

If same sex marriage were "normal," wouldn't we all be able to bear children ? Marriage has a lot to do with procreation.

[TrailBate]

If same sex marriage were "normal," wouldn't we all be able to bear children ? Marriage has a lot to do with procreation.



really? So if you get married, you should have kids? Or if you have kids you should be married? If you're sterile, you can't have kids or be married? I thought marriage had more to do with love and lifetime commitment. whatever.....
maybe instead of making it hard for gays to marry, we should make it harder for heteros to divorce?

[CsharpDev]

Yes marriage is supposed to be about love and life time commitment. But the phrase "until death do us part" gets ignored about what 50% of the time. Unfortunetly it goes alot like "until death (or I want your house without you in it and I have a better lawyer) do us part".

[TrailBate]

I always thought marriage should be like a pro sports contract. Free agency, waivers, etc.

[CsharpDev]

I always thought marriage should be like a pro sports contract. Free agency, waivers, etc.

No no that's dating... Marriage is more like when you become a franchise player, then when you leave or get taken your old team gets everything.

[TrailBate]

nah, dating is like open tryouts.

[kernel crash]

I have no problems whatsoever with gays or lesbians. I have worked alongside them on and off for years. What I do have a problem is when some groups, with an agenda, try to shove it in our face like they did with the whole gay marriage thing.

I have no issue with civil unions and equal rights. I do have issue with the "M" word (Marriage). That word should be preserved for a man and women. The gay marriage supporters would like us to believe that gay marriage is the same as a traditional marriage. Not so. Just check the biology involved. If gay marriage bacame par for the course, we would become extinct as a civilisation.

[Rocktail]

If gay marriage bacame par for the course, we would become extinct as a civilisation.


Oh dear me...do you actually believe that we would become extinct? I don't think so...there seem to be lots and lots of parentless children out there who could use a home as well as lots of teenage pregnancies getting ready to be put up for adoption....

and then ofcourse there's artificial insemination(sp?), which is another option....oh yes, there are endless possibilities...

[kernel crash]

"Oh dear me...do you actually believe that we would become extinct? "

That's not my point. I was refering to a viewpoint from an evolutionary standpoint. Look at how man has evolved through evolution. Homosexual behaviour could never have become the norm. We couldn't have continued to evolve.

[CsharpDev]

Women on average have 1.34 babies in there lifetime. This average has been steadily declining for decades. There might be alot of people having children, but the numbers don't lie, we are not replaceing ourselves. We are actualy on a population decline, it's not obvious because people are living longer so the total numbers are higher.

[TA]

My wife and I have friends who are lesbians and they have triplet girls (so much for extinction) and my 8 year old daughter plays with them all the time and has never said any thing about it. That is just the way it is to her.
I asked our friends if they will get married and they said some day when all the publicity calms down. No agenda. they just want to have a family with all of the rights of any one else.

This guy has made this a big deal to these kids now instead of his kids seeing maybe a black family, a white family, a single parent family Etc. now he has made this book about gay familys, just the opposite of what he wanted.

People just can't help but stick there nose in other peoples business and claim somehow it has an effect on them. It is all about people not being able to accept what they don't understand. I can't say I understand it myself but I don't need to, it doesn't effect me. these are good people who deserve to be happy.

I have another friend who when she came out years ago her mother told her that she would rather she were dead. Just because of the stigma of having a gay child. Can you imagine your mom saying that to you.

Live and let live people

MYOFB!

Terry

[Slider]

"Oh dear me...do you actually believe that we would become extinct? "

That's not my point. I was refering to a viewpoint from an evolutionary standpoint. Look at how man has evolved through evolution. Homosexual behaviour could never have become the norm. We couldn't have continued to evolve.


As a planet, overpopulation is by far our biggest problem. Are you suggesting we should all become gay as a survival strategy?

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[BG]

Actually human extinction would probably be the best thing for this planet.

BG

[mtbtom]

The gay marriage supporters would like us to believe that gay marriage is the same as a traditional marriage. Not so. Just check the biology involved. If gay marriage bacame par for the course, we would become extinct as a civilisation.


Faulty logic. For all you know, it could be completely "normal" that a given percentage of the human population is homosexual !

[priss]

I'm thinking of this logikly now and without the Globe headline. So here is how it goes in my mind.

First we must understand that the law states that a parent has the right to know what is being taught in class and the option to have their child opt out of class.

So a concerned parent makes an appointment to speak to the school admin. about when subject x is being taught, and wishes to opt out during subject x day.

Parent-"So tell me please what day i should schedule my childs absence, please?"
Admin-"no"
Parent- "Its the law you know, please tell me"
Admin-"no, and please leave the school "
Parent- "I am not leaving till i get my answer as is my right under the law"
Admin- "fine, then we will have you jailed"
Parent- "go ahead and try, I know my rights, you people are in the wrong here."

So i wonder, is it the fact that the Globe made it into a Homosexual issue what makes this story so big. If subject x was not about a 2 daddie book would the issue be parent rights and not homosexual rights.

And this tolerance word is getting used improperly also. Does tolerance mean you have to accept everything as equal and right? Or does tolerance mean i can belive what i want, and you can belive what you want, and we tolerate each other even though each still thinks the other is WRONG.

[dropsdontlikeme]

You people are killing me...

It is immoral to limit the rights of a minority simply because they creep you out.

The fact of the matter is, no matter how evolutionarily disadvantageous it is a certain percentage of the population is homosexual. Homosexuality is a static trait which cannot and should not be changed.


Evolution has nothing to do with it, religion has nothing to do with it. It is this minority's constitutional right to be able to legally marry.

Give me one logical reason why gay marraige is wrong!

[CsharpDev]

Right and wrong are really based on preception and beliefs. Most people would agree that murder is wrong, 1st degree murder will get you a life sentance, some would argue that you should get the death penalty (and is some cases I agree), others argue that capital punishment is wrong. Both are murder. Abortion is legalized 1st degree murder. Murder is wrong but in some cases it needs to be legal. If you can murder an innocent child you should be able to murder a convicted serial killer.

I think gay mariage is wrong, it's wrong because I believe it to be wrong. But if 2 homosexuals love eachother and wish to marry, they should have the right to do so. We should let them and treat them no different from any other married couple

[EVIL BOTA]

[quote author=Huff & Puff are letting them win....




"and the reason we have bullies is because of people like you who won't let same sex marriage even have a chance to be normal."



Whats normal about same sex marrige? The bullying will come the kids who have parents who will force there beliefs on them. My problem is why should a 6 year be taught that in school. Is a 6Year old going to understand same sex marrige. I think not!

[Slider]

A better question - what is "normal." Most people have two feet, or drive Tauruses, or are not self-employed. Some have only one foot, drive a '62 Saab, or run their own business. While they are not "normal," does that make them bad in some way?

The lesson was about the various foods people eat, the many places people come from, and the many ways they partner together, among other things.

Now is this last part relevant? Well, in MA, for one, part of the mix for there to be same sex couples. Kids will encounter that, and may even have same sex parents.

The object of a lesson about diversity is to make each of them tolerant of others who don't necessarily share their background, family structure, or dietary habits. It is a direct effort to make sure the bigotry of the dad in question is at least somewhat counterbalanced by a less predjudiced perspective. Tolerance fosters cooperation. From a social perspective, that is good, since the more we cooperate, the better off we all are.

The dad does not set public shcool curriculum. The school board does, having achieved their authority through our political processes. Like any other citizen, he can work to change policy, through established, specific routes. MA residents are lucky that less-bigoted principles than his are used as the standard.

Some people live in same-sex partnerships. Whether it is "normal" or not has nothing to do with whether it is "right" or "wrong," but only about the fact that it is a minority approach. The dad is free to feel that it is wrong, as he seems to, but our schools need to help kids understand the real world, not one defined by prejudice and segregation.

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[BG]

Then we should be teaching religions in school damn it.

BG

[dropsdontlikeme]

There is no arguement to disallow same sex adoption or artificial fertilization because the kid will get bullied.
The kid should not be bullied, that is not the same sex parents fault that is the bully's fault. One's rights should not be removed because someone else cannot muster the decency to tolorate a different lifestyle.

As for the arguement that the child will not grow up normally has no real staying power because children are raised by single parents or guardians or foster parents all the time. How should this be any different?

[Slider]

Then we should be teaching religions in school damn it.

BG


Exactly! That is what the lesson was all about. Glad you're coming around on this.

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[kernel crash]

"My wife and I have friends who are lesbians and they have triplet girls (so much for extinction) "

Come on now. We all know they didn't produce those kids on their own. That's not my point. Step outside the box and take all human emotions out of the equation. All living creatures have evolved over millions of years. Evolution has filtered that process to allow life to adapt and move forward. If certain organisims migrated towards a homosexual "lifestyle", evolution would have filtered out those organisms because it doesn't conform to moving the species forward. So how is homosexual behaviour "normal". I don't buy it, but I also don't discriminate them for it.

[Slider]

You don't understand evolution.

Adaptivity - the ability to make changes in physiology or behavior to allow survival in a changing environment - requires a diverse gene pool. You needs lots of options so you can "pick" the one that best suits a given set of circumstances. Our gene pool is diverse, and our range of behaviors is too, for good reason.

In fact, there have been studies that suggest some populations move toward homosexuality in times of overpopulation or reduced sustenance, as a means to limit further growth. So your argument, when considered closely, is actually one for homosexuality.

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[EVIL BOTA]

Well were getting a bit off track. I guess all you PhD’s figure 6 year olds can and will understand same sex marriage.

Which you are wrong. Evolution ,get with the times and what ever argument you have to be politically correct , will not convince me that young children should be taught about same sex marriage. So then its up to each parent to decide what’s good for their kids. If my child was to ask me why Johnny has two Dads . I would simply tell the him or her that he has a Dad and an uncle or Mom and Aunt. When my kids are old enough to make an intelligent decision, I will explain it to them without my opinion on the subject. I would never push my beliefs on my children . Every one has a right to figure it out for them selves. When they old enough and are able to understand the subject.

[Slider]

You, like the dad, are overstating what was in the book. Here's a description from one of the news stories:

"The book by Robert Skutch, and illustrated by Laura Nienhaus is aimed at children between three and seven. It catalogues a variety of multicultural contemporary family units, including those with single parents, lesbian and gay parents, mixed-race couples, grandparents and divorced parents."

Effectively, the book is doing even less than what you say you'd do if asked. It doesn't characterize the variety of families it presents, it just lists them. It simply says some kids have a mommy and a daddy, some have only one parent, some have parents of different races, and some have same-sex parents.

Hardly a promotion of any patricular lifestyle, this is exactly the sort of thing young kids need to learn in school.

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[kernel crash]

"there have been studies that suggest some populations move toward homosexuality in times of overpopulation or reduced sustenance"

Who came up with that theory, Liberachi?

[Slider]

Here's a link to a survey of lots of research about the possibly adaptive foundation for homosexuality, including one about population pressure:

http://anthro.palomar.edu/marriage/marriage_6.htm

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[TrailBate]

I don't know why some of you think 6 year olds can't understand gay marriage. 6 year olds are pretty intelligent. We're not talking about babbling 2 year olds in diapers.

[TrailBate]

"My wife and I have friends who are lesbians and they have triplet girls (so much for extinction) "

Come on now. We all know they didn't produce those kids on their own. That's not my point. Step outside the box and take all human emotions out of the equation. All living creatures have evolved over millions of years. Evolution has filtered that process to allow life to adapt and move forward. If certain organisims migrated towards a homosexual "lifestyle", evolution would have filtered out those organisms because it doesn't conform to moving the species forward. So how is homosexual behaviour "normal". I don't buy it, but I also don't discriminate them for it.




So, according to your argument, bi-sexuals ARE normal, because they CAN reproduce?

[Mr_Cheeze]

I don't know why some of you think 6 year olds can't understand gay marriage. 6 year olds are pretty intelligent. We're not talking about babbling 2 year olds in diapers.


Six year olds are barely old enough to understand right from wrong, good from bad. At this impressionable age they are certainly capable of understanding the concept of marriage and love. Not much more, though. They wouldn't know that gays might be bad unless daddy is making pains to teach little Johnny to stay away from little Davey because his parents are awful and sinners and very bad.

While it is difficult to side with the bigoted father, he is the parent and has every right to do what he wants and take his kid away. That I have no problem with. If he wants to make himself look like a fool for being a pariah for the gay haters, fine. No administrator has the right to refuse a parent's wishes.

[Rych]

I don't know why some of you think 6 year olds can't understand gay marriage. 6 year olds are pretty intelligent. We're not talking about babbling 2 year olds in diapers.


I just watched on the wfxt morning news(I have not been able to find this in print yet) where a Saugus dad is upset over a workbook teaching the various ways to catch AIDS. This is a great thing for 6 year olds. “Color the tainted blood being transferred to the baby red”. The book also mentions needles, which is great because it’s way to easy now to take your kids to the doctor now to get their shots. The book also tells the 6 year old about how aids can be transmitted by semen, because every 6 year old needs to beware of this. Daddy what is semen?

Again the parent in Lexington was not trying to change the curriculum he just want to know when the subject was going to be taught so he could keep his kid home, which is his legal right.

[TrailBate]

Now THAT is insanity. Do you have a link?
Telling kids to stay away from needles is bad, of course. But the rest reminds me of a South Park episode where they decided to start teaching Sex Ed in kindergarten.

[EVIL BOTA]

Now THAT is insanity. Do you have a link?
Telling kids to stay away from needles is bad, of course. But the rest reminds me of a South Park episode where they decided to start teaching Sex Ed in kindergarten.


Oh ,but teaching 1st grade children about same sex marrige is O.K.
I have a very bright 7 year old @ home and I'm pretty sure she wouldn't understand the concept. Why can't we just stick with Reading ,writing and arithmetic.You know the basics.Until say Junoir high or freshmen year. Their all going to learn about it sometime,but why present it at a time when they most likly will not be ready..

[TrailBate]

Now THAT is insanity. Do you have a link?
Telling kids to stay away from needles is bad, of course. But the rest reminds me of a South Park episode where they decided to start teaching Sex Ed in kindergarten.


Oh ,but teaching 1st grade children about same sex marrige is O.K.
I have a very bright 7 year old @ home and I'm pretty sure she wouldn't understand the concept. Why can't we just stick with Reading ,writing and arithmetic.You know the basics.Until say Junoir high or freshmen year. Their all going to learn about it sometime,but why present it at a time when they most likly will not be ready..



The book says nothing about "gay marriage", it shows two guys and says "a father and his partner." It is fully within a parent's lattitude to define "partner" anyway he or she wishes. Again, I think tolerance and understanding that these kids may have friends with different households is the main message, not gay marriage.

[CsharpDev]

The book says nothing about "gay marriage", it shows two guys and says "a father and his partner." It is fully within a parent's lattitude to define "partner" anyway he or she wishes. Again, I think tolerance and understanding that these kids may have friends with different households is the main message, not gay marriage.


I agree...

Remember Full House, 3 guys, no one was gay. Father and his partner could be Danny and Joey, a friend who moved in to help raise the kids.

[Rych]

Now THAT is insanity. Do you have a link?
Telling kids to stay away from needles is bad, of course. But the rest reminds me of a South Park episode where they decided to start teaching Sex Ed in kindergarten.


Still looking for the story online...I just saw it Monday Morning on wfxt. My guess is it will be on townonline.com at some point.

[Rych]

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=81359

[Rocktail]

heard an interview with mr.parker (the father) today and he had a pretty weak argument. the interview was on npr and they also interviewed the man who wrote the book. just wanted to add in that the father believes gay marriage is a sin. he also said that we are all sinners. so basically this man is a god worshipper. i think we all know the answer to this situation....the father is trying to bring his religious beliefs into school....time for private school for that wacko. also, this man is in an anti-gay marriage group. i don't know about anyone else here, but anyone who goes out of his or her own way to be in a group that is against something harmless had mixed up priorities. How about being in an anti wife abuse group? or husband abuse? there seems to be more of that harming our children than gay marriage...

oh, and the author of the book write the book to illustrate all of the different families out there. single parent, grandma/mother, father/aunt, interracial, even animal families. at no point did he mention in the book that the same sex couple was married. so instead of the author having sexual intentions on his mind, it was actually the parent who had sex in his mind.

same with all of you who are against gay marriage....all you seem to see is the sex part. i sure hope your children don't know how sick your mind is to see a same sex couple in a book and automatically assume sexual preference. it's none of your business! if i ever met you, how would you like it if i found out your penis size and told everyone on your block.....just not my business. and neither is it anyone elses to stick their nose in the relationship between parents.

lastly....this father in lexington was also warned that books on diversity would be brought into the home and he had a chance to opt out....he did not.

anyone else want to defend this nut?

[TrailBate]

how would you like it if i found out your penis size and told everyone on your block.....


8 1/2 inches. Just don't tell the guy who just got out of prison. Thanks ;D

[Rych]

heard an interview with mr.parker (the father) today and he had a pretty weak argument. the interview was on npr and they also interviewed the man who wrote the book. just wanted to add in that the father believes gay marriage is a sin. he also said that we are all sinners. so basically this man is a god worshipper. i think we all know the answer to this situation....the father is trying to bring his religious beliefs into school....time for private school for that wacko. also, this man is in an anti-gay marriage group. i don't know about anyone else here, but anyone who goes out of his or her own way to be in a group that is against something harmless had mixed up priorities. How about being in an anti wife abuse group? or husband abuse? there seems to be more of that harming our children than gay marriage...

oh, and the author of the book write the book to illustrate all of the different families out there. single parent, grandma/mother, father/aunt, interracial, even animal families. at no point did he mention in the book that the same sex couple was married. so instead of the author having sexual intentions on his mind, it was actually the parent who had sex in his mind.

same with all of you who are against gay marriage....all you seem to see is the sex part. i sure hope your children don't know how sick your mind is to see a same sex couple in a book and automatically assume sexual preference. it's none of your business! if i ever met you, how would you like it if i found out your penis size and told everyone on your block.....just not my business. and neither is it anyone elses to stick their nose in the relationship between parents.

lastly....this father in lexington was also warned that books on diversity would be brought into the home and he had a chance to opt out....he did not.

anyone else want to defend this nut?


You just don't get it. It does not matter if the parent is anti-gay. Parker is a raging homophobe. It’s still his kid, not the schools. Even if he is a raging homophobe, he has the legal right to choose what is best for HIS child and opt HIS kid out of anything he does not deem appropriate. He did not get arrested trying to change the curriculum for the whole class, he got arrested because the school would not notify him when this subject would be taught so he could have his kid stay home from school that day.

[Rocktail]

heard an interview with mr.parker (the father) today and he had a pretty weak argument. the interview was on npr and they also interviewed the man who wrote the book. just wanted to add in that the father believes gay marriage is a sin. he also said that we are all sinners. so basically this man is a god worshipper. i think we all know the answer to this situation....the father is trying to bring his religious beliefs into school....time for private school for that wacko. also, this man is in an anti-gay marriage group. i don't know about anyone else here, but anyone who goes out of his or her own way to be in a group that is against something harmless had mixed up priorities. How about being in an anti wife abuse group? or husband abuse? there seems to be more of that harming our children than gay marriage...

oh, and the author of the book write the book to illustrate all of the different families out there. single parent, grandma/mother, father/aunt, interracial, even animal families. at no point did he mention in the book that the same sex couple was married. so instead of the author having sexual intentions on his mind, it was actually the parent who had sex in his mind.

same with all of you who are against gay marriage....all you seem to see is the sex part. i sure hope your children don't know how sick your mind is to see a same sex couple in a book and automatically assume sexual preference. it's none of your business! if i ever met you, how would you like it if i found out your penis size and told everyone on your block.....just not my business. and neither is it anyone elses to stick their nose in the relationship between parents.

lastly....this father in lexington was also warned that books on diversity would be brought into the home and he had a chance to opt out....he did not.

anyone else want to defend this nut?


You just don't get it. It does not matter if the parent is anti-gay. Parker is a raging homophobe. It’s still his kid, not the schools. Even if he is a raging homophobe, he has the legal right to choose what is best for HIS child and opt HIS kid out of anything he does not deem appropriate. He did not get arrested trying to change the curriculum for the whole class, he got arrested because the school would not notify him when this subject would be taught so he could have his kid stay home from school that day.



well excuse me for adding my own opinion along with the facts from that day....afterall, is this not an open forum? i don't think you get it....nothing was taught at the school that day. the child brought a "goody bag" of books home that day that had been handed out to the children on diversity day. the child's hand never even touched the book. in fact, the child's mother had been at the pta meeting where the book was approved. she just did not flip through it to see that there were two women and their child giving the family dog, "fluffy" a bath.

so even though, in my opinion, this family is a nutcase, the school did do the best it could sending a letter home, having a pta meeting, and even giving the parents and opt out option. if anyone has a problem with the way the school acted, maybe you should take a look at how little federal spending there is for education. 6 cents out of each taxable dollar goes to education, and 56 cents goes to the pentagon. if you want your children's public education to make sure there is sufficient notification on this subject, maybe you should not whine when we take more tax money for schools...

while this situation has nothing to do with funding, once again, i felt it appropriate to add my opinion. it will be interesting to follow the court case. the father (i believe his name is mr.parker) will be taking this matter to court.

[TrailBate]

He did not get arrested trying to change the curriculum for the whole class, he got arrested because the school would not notify him when this subject would be taught so he could have his kid stay home from school that day.





nice spin. He got arrested for trespassing after he refused to leave school grounds.

[Rych]

Rocktail...You are entitled to your opinion, infact if you and others like trailbait didn't offer a differing opinion what fun would this board be?

BTW did you guys read the story about the Saugus dad?



Graphic AIDS book draws parents' ire
By Kevin Rothstein
Tuesday, May 3, 2005 - Updated: 08:00 AM EST

A lesson in AIDS/HIV has a Saugus family seeing red after their second-grader took home an explicit workbook noting that ``semen'' and ``vaginal secretions'' spread the disease.
The Saugus case is the second time in a week parents have complained that schools are giving young kids more than they need to know on sensitive issues. Paul Stamatopoulos came forward after hearing of a Lexington father who was arrested after he complained when his kindergartener brought home a book that dealt with gay marriage.


Stamatopoulos was dumbfounded when his 7-year-old daughter showed him what she called the ``sad book.''
``I took it away from her. I was shocked,'' he said.
Along with information on the history of AIDS and the benefits of hand-washing, the booklet told kids HIV is ``spread by the exchange of infected body fluids (blood, semen, vaginal secretion).''
Stamatopoulos and his wife Diana said they weren't initially opposed to AIDS education. But they said they had no idea the information would be so graphic.
The state Department of Education leaves sex education up to local districts, though a state law requires parental notification when classes are held, a DOE spokeswoman said.
``I was told these are facts. I said `We know, but at that age, there are facts about the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. Do we tell our children those facts?' '' Stamatopoulos said.
Saugus Superintendent Keith R. Manville said the booklet was approved by the School Committee ``a long time ago.'' He plans to meet with Stamatopoulos tomorrow, and said he might recommend altering the book.
``I think some of the examples are a little tough for a 7-year-old,'' Manville said.

[kernel crash]

It's no secret that the teachers unions have been backing liberal candidates for a very long time. These are just more examples of the liberal philosophy being pushed at the kids at a younger and younger age in the guise of "education". So its not surprising that when a conservative parent has an objection, all hell is going to break loose. And that parent, will ultimately be described, as a nut job.

[TrailBate]

It's no secret that the teachers unions have been backing liberal candidates for a very long time. These are just more examples of the liberal philosophy being pushed at the kids at a younger and younger age in the guise of "education". So its not surprising that when a conservative parent has an objection, all hell is going to break loose. And that parent, will ultimately be described, as a nut job.



yeah, you're right. Instead of teaching kids about acceptance and evolution, we should be teaching them about eternal damnation, and how Christ is the ONLY way....

[TrailBate]

how about this? Is 8th grade still too young?:


GREENBELT, Maryland (AP) -- Two groups filed a federal lawsuit Tuesday to block a health curriculum that would allow discussions of homosexuality with eighth graders, and a video to be shown to sophomores demonstrating how to use a condom.

Citizens for a Responsible Curriculum and the Virginia-based Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays want to prevent Montgomery County from starting the program in six schools later this week. A hearing has been set for Thursday.

The new program, approved by the county board of education in November, would be used in all schools next year.

"In general, parents have been supportive of the curriculum," said spokesman Brian Edwards.

Parents must sign permission forms for their children to take part in the health curriculum and parents can sit in on the sessions. Families also can choose alternatives that include abstinence-only programs.

County educators say the changes were needed to teach students about the dangers of unprotected sex. However, those suing argue the county does not do enough to stress abstinence or allow people the groups describe as formerly gay to present their views."



what the hell is a "formerly gay" group? Poison?

[TrailBate]

Texas lawmaker looks to ban sexy cheerleading:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=592661


Edwards argued bawdy performances are a distraction for students resulting in pregnancies, dropouts and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.

Ribald performances are not defined in the bill. "Any adult that's been involved with sex in their lives, they know it when they see it," he said.

[BG]

I firmly believe that all zoos that contain masturbating primates should be BANNED.

BG

"Cause you know what that leads to....

[priss]

I see alot of chat here about tolerance and how we should all be tolerant. The problem is that tolerance does not mean you have to accept what you fundementaly belive is wrong is equal or acceptable. People can live their own lives in their own way provided they hurt no one else but i dont have to like it or teach my kids it is equal or proper.

I am not a wealty person, but i make what sacrifices are necessary and my kids are in private school. A catholic school. They wear uniforms and take the bus with all the public school kids. We have to pay extra for the use of the town busses and they make the extra stop to let our kids off at the school.

You all seem like intelligent, intuitive people. You know without me tellling you how my kids and their schoolmates are treated on that bus. It is no mystery where those children learned to hate my kids. They see it on TV, they hear it from shock jocks on the radio and from their own parents. Where is the book that teaches tolerance of my beliefs? And how do i counteract the prejudice building inside my own children against those who bully and berate them every day.

Parenting is the hardest job there is, if you want to do it right. Weather i belive what this Father belives or not i must support his right to teach his child as he sees fit. I wish i had his courage and conviction. The simple truth is that any child growing up today in a homosexual familly has abundant support from the schools, positive roll models displayed in all forms of media, and zealous defenders to aid her should she be assaulted.
My kids get beat down daily for no reason whatsoever and they feel like its their own fault because we are Catholic and everyone hates us, and that everyone is right to hate us. This is a lesson they learned on the bus, starting in the first grade, riding with all the public school kids you guys keep saying are being taught wonderfull lessons of tolerance.

God Bless You All
priss

[TrailBate]

every kid gets teased and harrassed, and most kids also do some teasing and harrassing, no matter what. But when these kids grow up, they start to learn the difference between teasing, and just plain intolerance. Your kid is being teased because he dresses different, and goes to a different school than the others on the bus. the teasers will outgrow it. I don't think these kids are being intolerant, just kids, and It's likely that somewhere, your child does the same to someone else.

But teaching tolerance is the difference between outgrowing simple teasing, and turning into a gay-basher or cross-burner.


btw, intolerance DOES hurt people.

[MTBME]

I think the bullys on the buss look at your kids as being "different" because they are dressed different, go to a different school and maybe even perceive them as being "rich" kids. Who knows what sets off bullys. It doesn't take much. I had plenty of experience with them when I was younger, right into high school. And I aslo went to a Catholic school. My daughters were bullied in public school if they didn't dress a certain way. It's tough on the kids now but I don't think they'll suffer any long term damage. Like me they'll look back and realize those jerks were trying to deal with their own insecurities.

[Slider]

Where is the book that teaches tolerance of my beliefs? And how do i counteract the prejudice building inside my own children against those who bully and berate them every day. priss


I guess I am missing something. Your kids are treated intolerantly, but you don't approve of teaching tolerance in school? I see a fundamental disconnect here.

Slider

[nhiker]

I firmly believe that all zoos that contain masturbating primates should be BANNED.

BG

"Cause you know what that leads to....


??? masturbating primates = ??? ??? ahh The white House ;)

[Mr_Cheeze]

The irony with organized religion, especially Catholicism, is that they teach messages of intolerance, camoflaged under the facades of dogma, that are completely antithetical to the teachings of the very person, or deity to Catholics, to whom the religion has been fashioned to worship. The faithful don't see it that way, of course. Yet, what else could one expect from those who have such faith. Rule number one is to suspend disbelief. Yet, when you look at the main funtion provided by organized Christianity; i.e. to achieve salvation, the penultimate irony is the intrinsic selfishness involved. My salvation comes first. My everlasting life. And anybody else who is outside of the boundaries by which that salvation can be achieved are considered sinners and unworthy.

And so we have these awful homosexuals, mentioned in numerous Biblical verses as being maleficent in the eyes of God. They can never achieve salvation, and are thusly spurned. Until recent changes in attitude by Pope Paul II, and now continued by Benedict XVI, towards the Jews and Muslims, the same went for those "sinners".

So we have this long entrenched attitude, not unlike the racism that is so intrinsic to many southerners due to generations of hateful teachings. Yet, that this behavior is even mentioned in the Bible only proves that homosexuality has a history probably as long as heterosexuality. These religious types, and even those who are no longer religious but likely come from such roots, refuse to accept the likely notion that those afflicted are born as such. This contradicts everything they have ever been taught. When it comes right down to it, however, the fear and misunderstanding breeds contempt. Fortunately for them, homo-hating is still an acceptable idea to such a large proportion of the population that people like Mr. Peterson feel secure and vindicated when they come out publicly against the so-called agenda. What they don't tell you is that they have their own ill formed agendas. All of these religious right wackos cry about humanism, secularism, science, the persecution of Catholics, yada yada. What thay are really saying is that they long for the days of good old Constantine led Rome, when Christianity ruled, and anybody who questioned that was repressed or worse.

:-/

Don't get me started on religion. :-X

[BG]

I firmly believe that all zoos that contain masturbating primates should be BANNED.

BG

"Cause you know what that leads to....


??? masturbating primates = ??? ??? ahh The white House ;)



Masturbating at the White House???
Please.....be serious.....you as well as i know there's no masturbation there, they are truly F***ing us over. ;D ;D :o

Long live the Bush!

BG

[TrailBate]

Don't get me started on religion. :-X


Too Late!!

How's this: Kansas is about to change their textbooks to teach creationism, because Evolution is full of theoretical flaws:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7736155/

[jerseygirl]

I am not a wealty person, but i make what sacrifices are necessary and my kids are in private school. A catholic school. They wear uniforms and take the bus with all the public school kids. We have to pay extra for the use of the town busses and they make the extra stop to let our kids off at the school.

You all seem like intelligent, intuitive people. You know without me tellling you how my kids and their schoolmates are treated on that bus. It is no mystery where those children learned to hate my kids.

I pulled my son out of Catholic school. The kids were little snobs who learned if from their parents who thought they were better than everyone else. I got tired of the repressive nature of the school. If my son wants to dye his hair and wear an earring, what's the harm? Isn't that basically teaching that people who don't conform to their standards are somehow "weird" or "different"?

I went to Catholic school and we were always taught by the nuns that we were "better" than the "public schoolers." Bigotry is pervasive. You can't shield anyone from it by putting them in a certain school or surrounding them with a certain type of friends. Fortunately, because of the way I've raised my kids they don't mistreat other people or form prejudices. It's because they were raised with an acceptance of diversity.

[jaime]

Back when the schools in Selma AL were first integrated, many (white) parents kept their kids home to prevent them from being exposed to black children. Was this their right as parents? I guess so. How do we view those parents today? Were they doing their children a service, & are those kids better off today because their parents "protected" them?

Personally, I found homelessness harder to explain to my daughter at age 6 than homosexuality....

[Mr_Cheeze]

Back when the schools in Selma AL were first integrated, many (white) parents kept their kids home to prevent them from being exposed to black children. Was this their right as parents? I guess so.

It absolutely was their right as parents.

[Rych]

Back when the schools in Selma AL were first integrated, many (white) parents kept their kids home to prevent them from being exposed to black children. Was this their right as parents? I guess so. How do we view those parents today? Were they doing their children a service, & are those kids better off today because their parents "protected" them?

Personally, I found homelessness harder to explain to my daughter at age 6 than homosexuality....


Had I lived there back then, I would have held my daughter out. My guess is a lot of parents held their kids out to protect them from possible rioting.

[BG]

Possibly it all can be solved during the annual National Day of Prayer?
I wiil pray for forgiveness and more singletrack.

BG

[stich]

Got some sad news for ya all.

The statistics say parenting is over-rated.
The little buggers don't gain anything from it & tend to sort it all out by themselves.

Ever read Lord of the Flies LOL!

Stich

[jerseygirl]

To forgive is human; singletrack -- devine!

[BG]

To forgive is human; singletrack -- devine!



Then i shall forgive all who trespass against me and shall be lead into the temptation of building more singletrack.
Amen

BG

[TrailBate]

Thou shalt not coveteth thy neighbor's bike?

[BG]

Thou shalt not coveteth thy neighbor's bike?



Hey, let's not go too far with this.
Is your bike nice?? ;D

BG

[Jesus]

Thou shalt not covet anything that belongs to thy neighbor, especially his bucket of chicken and Colt 45.

And honer thy mutha and fatha. Don't be a mutha f**ka, especially this Sunday.

Jesus out.

[Slider]

Here's an interesting twist on the topic, from CNN.com. The judge uses some, um, curious reasoning.

Slider

Judge blocks Maryland sex-ed program
Friday, May 6, 2005 Posted: 9:52 AM EDT (1352 GMT)

GREENBELT, Maryland (AP) -- A federal judge on Thursday blocked a county school system from instituting a health curriculum that includes discussions of homosexuality.

U.S. District Judge Alexander Williams agreed with two groups that sued contending such discussions gave preference of religions that are tolerant of homosexuality over those that reject it.

Williams issued a temporary restraining order that prevents the Montgomery County school system in suburban Washington, D.C., from using the pilot health program in six schools. The program was set to begin Monday.

During the 10-day restraining order, another hearing will be held on whether to extend it, according to the judge's decision.

Williams said the curriculum juxtaposes faiths such as Quakers that support full rights for gays and lesbians with groups such as Baptists, who are painted as "intolerant and Biblically misguided."

The lawsuit was filed Tuesday by Citizens for a Responsible Curriculum, a group comprising mostly parents, and the Virginia-based Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays.

School board president Patricia O'Neill said she was disappointed by the judge's decision but that the district would pursue its case in court.

The curriculum was to be used in eighth and 10th grades to teach students about the dangers of unprotected sex and about human sexuality. The 10th-grade class included a video discussing abstinence and a segment where a woman puts a condom on a cucumber to demonstrate its use.

Parents can opt out of the curriculum by signing a form, school system attorney Judith Bresler said while arguing the case. Blocking the curriculum would hurt only the students who agreed to take part, she said.

Erik Stanley, an attorney for the groups that filed suit, said the curriculum excludes the viewpoints of former gays and those who believe that "same-sex attraction can be overcome."

[TrailBate]

so the judge is saying that since the Quakers are pro-gay rights, the law that is allowing the program that includes lessons about gays is unfairly tilted towards one religion, therefore it is not fair to teach it? wtf?

[TrailBate]

I'm so glad Jesus preaches tolerance:


Dems kicked out of NC church

"For those that thought that there has not been a full scale war lanched against liberals; for those who didn't take the radical right's promise to "eradicate liberals" seriously, I present to you, Exhibit A: East Waynesville Baptist Church has just kicked out all its Democratic members," The newscast reports that the minister, who refused to be interviewed, doesn't consider his actions "political." (he said as he clutched his tax-free status to his breast).

'Gays, please keep your sperm to yourselves'

"Okay, we’ve seriously hit a new low. You thought it couldn’t get any lower? Wrong," A new FDA rule excludes gays from being sperm donors. "First of all, if I were to go to a sperm bank, I would assume that all the possible donors’ sperm would have been thoroughly screened, so shouldn’t this be a moot point?... For all the lip service that the Dominionists give to their alleged belief that homosexuality is a choice, somewhere deep down they know it is not a choice, not for everyone. And that’s what’s driving this policy—an attempt to keep homosexuality out of the gene pool as much as possible."

[TrailBate]

May 9 1983

The infallible Pope John Paul II retracts the Catholic Church's condemnation of astronomer Galileo Galilei, issued in 1633 by the infallible Pope Urban VIII. The Church had convicted the scientist of heresy, sentenced him to house arrest, and forced him to recant central scientific truths. In the end, this error only took 350 years to correct.



so in the year 2355, schools may once again start teaching evolution.

[TrailBate]

Here is Pat Robertson caught being homophobic off camera...or so he thought...

nope, no intolerance or ignorance here. no sir.


http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/randirhodes/content/video/050205/spin.wmv

[felixatvtc]

Here is Pat Robertson caught being homophobic off camera...or so he thought...

nope, no intolerance or ignorance here. no sir.


http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/randirhodes/content/video/050205/spin.wmv


That's media for you. It's a business, not to inform american's but to ENTERTAIN them. And what's the deal with "The 92 Vote"? This clip is 10+ years old? And if so, is this knucklehead still in office?

[felixatvtc]

I'm so glad Jesus preaches tolerance:


Dems kicked out of NC church

"For those that thought that there has not been a full scale war lanched against liberals; for those who didn't take the radical right's promise to "eradicate liberals" seriously, I present to you, Exhibit A: East Waynesville Baptist Church has just kicked out all its Democratic members," The newscast reports that the minister, who refused to be interviewed, doesn't consider his actions "political." (he said as he clutched his tax-free status to his breast).

'Gays, please keep your sperm to yourselves'

"Okay, we’ve seriously hit a new low. You thought it couldn’t get any lower? Wrong," A new FDA rule excludes gays from being sperm donors. "First of all, if I were to go to a sperm bank, I would assume that all the possible donors’ sperm would have been thoroughly screened, so shouldn’t this be a moot point?... For all the lip service that the Dominionists give to their alleged belief that homosexuality is a choice, somewhere deep down they know it is not a choice, not for everyone. And that’s what’s driving this policy—an attempt to keep homosexuality out of the gene pool as much as possible."



I thought this comic seemed fitting for this topic
http://www.biggercheese.com/comics/0546.png

[Rych]

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=99687


Nice. Now if you’re a parent who has sheltered your child from sexual topics the state is forcing you to explain to your 11 year old what oral sex is. Great liberal idea! Get all the kids talking about this! And if there is a pedophile teacher giving these surveys out to the students, he/she is going to have a little black book of 11 and 12 year olds who are willing to be friends with benefits.

[TrailBate]

Chances are if your 10 year old watches tv, he knows what oral sex is.

I still think the question is inappropriate. But what are the parents afraid of? Are they afraid that the survey will put ideas in their kids heads, or are they just afraid of what they will find out?

Maybe if more parents read the letter from their school, been more involved, than they would have opted their kids out in time. Odds are most parents never read the notice.

[Rych]

Chances are if your 10 year old watches tv, he knows what oral sex is.

I still think the question is inappropriate. But what are the parents afraid of? Are they afraid that the survey will put ideas in their kids heads, or are they just afraid of what they will find out?

Maybe if more parents read the letter from their school, been more involved, than they would have opted their kids out in time. Odds are most parents never read the notice.

In this case the letter was no good. It did not give details of what kind of questions would be asked. The people who are giving the survey didn't want to influence the survey by letting the questions out.

I agree that if your 10 year old watches unsupervised tv they know about oral sex, thanks to the perjurer Bill Clinton. But it has to be up to the parent when the child is introduced to sex.

And ya, I'm afraid the the survey will put ideas into kids heads. Think about it, a 12 year old girl takes the survey and reads a question about how many BJs she's given. Her answer is zero, but the question by being asked implies that other kids her age are giving out Lewinskys.

[Mr_Cheeze]

These "surveys" by the state serve no good purpose. This is exactly the kind of stuff used by agenda groups to justify adding controversial curricula to school programs. What happens if they find that, according to their survey results 12% of 11 to 12 year olds have engaged in oral sex, and 5% in intercourse? Suddenly they have a reason to teach about condom use and maybe even pass out some free ones.

Unfortunately, educators and sociologists know far too well that many parents these days do not bother to take an active role in their child's education, nevermind their lives. This is how they try to justify their perceived need to apply social engineering to traditional education.

[TrailBate]

I love how you're turning this into an "anti-liberal, anti-clinton" issue. If you want to blame Clinton for why kids are having sex younger and younger, you are off your rocker.

The article clearly says that parents were warned ahead of time that their kids would be given a sex survey, and they had every opportunity to go check it out. Nobody did. There ya go.

[BG]

I love how you're turning this into an "anti-liberal, anti-clinton" issue. If you want to blame Clinton for why kids are having sex younger and younger, you are off your rocker.

The article clearly says that parents were warned ahead of time that their kids would be given a sex survey, and they had every opportunity to go check it out. Nobody did. There ya go.


Sounds like more of a blatant general invasion of privacy, a piss poor methodology and absolutly the incorrect venue for gathering such personal information. And i'm sure, these "gatherers" and their bands of "experts" will no less have an idea what to do with this information, then most likely missuse it themselves. Or brodcast it to some one(s) who will. I guess that's the wave of the future, if a high enough percentage of 12 year olds are giving bj's by their own addmission the government should know so they can at least teach them how to do it right and safe. Shall they make an attempt to see how many might feel that they are gay, so we can prepare for the future political battles?
There ya go. And by the way, Clinton was(is) evil.

BG

[TrailBate]

The fact is, kids are having sex younger and younger. Parents don't know, don't want to know, or dont' care. Most parents don't teach their kids about sex until probably well after they've already found out about it, done it, or learned from school. By that time their kids are pregnant or diseased and the parents start blaming the school!

[BG]

Hmmmm...maybe if the kids are taken away from the parents at G1...That would solve everybodys problems.
Kids are free of their stupid parents,parents are free from their stupid kids. Oh damn it's that boarding school thing again, or maybe military school...they could be looked after real good there and everyone would always know what they were doing, damn that won't work either, the military dosen't know what the f*ck it's doing. OK OK religious school...no no no already been down that road. Damn what if we just let them raise themselves. Maybe they could figure out something better and then teach... naw...
Parents suck, school sucks the world sucks.
When are you guys going to figure it out? It just dosen't get any better than this.

BG

[TrailBate]

Nah, I'm going to have to go with the conservatives on this one and blame the media. Or is blaming the media bi-partisan nowadays?

[BG]

Nah, blaming the media is just bi...

NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT

BG

[Rych]

I love how you're turning this into an "anti-liberal, anti-clinton" issue. If you want to blame Clinton for why kids are having sex younger and younger, you are off your rocker.

The article clearly says that parents were warned ahead of time that their kids would be given a sex survey, and they had every opportunity to go check it out. Nobody did. There ya go.


That survey asked quest