Dems have no idea on what to do about Social Security?

[stich]

http://www.adelphia.net/news/read.php?ps=1018&id=11872678

Apparently the Dems have nothing good to say about any of the ideas that the Republicans have come up with to save Social Security.
But then again they also HAVE NO IDEAS OF THEIR OWN!

What a novel democratic idea - do nothing, LOL!


Go get em Chuck!

[CsharpDev]

You don't need to have an idea yourself to know that someone elses idea is a bad idea. Making the wrong descision is just as bad as making no descision

also Sen. Kerry is a dem and he has an idea. Roll back the tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% of the country. Sounds like a good idea to me, why should the people most able to pay be the ones who get all the breaks.

[stich]

why should the people most able to pay be the ones who get all the breaks.



Well I guess that would be their reward for working hard & becoming wealthy now- wouldn't it? Not sitting a home watching Oprah & stuffing their face with welfare cheese.

[TrailBate]

1. There is a big difference between SS retirement payments and welfare

2. The rich get rich thanks to the middle and lower class, so they have no need to bitch if they can't collect SS.

3. What about the idea of raising the SS tax cap, which is right now at $90,000? THis means that the guy who makes $90,000 a year pays the exact same amount in SS as some guy making 200,000,000 a year. Raise the cap, cut benefits to the rich. Problem solved.

[stich]

1. There is a big difference between SS retirement payments and welfare


Oh yeah, almost forgot that they almost never dip into SS for welfare. Ok then, lets just call it SS cheese.

[TrailBate]

1. There is a big difference between SS retirement payments and welfare


Oh yeah, almost forgot that they almost never dip into SS for welfare. Ok then, lets just call it SS cheese.


just the fact that you're grouping welfare bums in with social security recipients, is ignorant to say the least.

[Mr_Cheeze]

1. There is a big difference between SS retirement payments and welfare

2. The rich get rich thanks to the middle and lower class, so they have no need to bitch if they can't collect SS.

3. What about the idea of raising the SS tax cap, which is right now at $90,000? THis means that the guy who makes $90,000 a year pays the exact same amount in SS as some guy making 200,000,000 a year. Raise the cap, cut benefits to the rich. Problem solved.


Let me see if I understand this. The rich get rich because of the pee-ons? Not because they worked hard and earned everything they have. No, that would imply that they deserve to keep what they earn as much as the pee-ons do. Silly me.

I would have no problem with a cap as such. The idea of means testing, however, is unconstitutional. Always remember that they have payed into SS, so rich or not, everyone deserves back what they payed into it. But the Democrats will never accept this solution, because that would mean less money being paid into it from the rich. They all want more. And the easiest targets are the top 1% because, hey, those evil folks just aren't paying their fair share.

[TrailBate]

we are always paying money into taxes for things we may never benefit from. Your taxes go to schools, even though you may not have children. Employers have to pay unemployment taxes. I guess you and I just have a fundamental difference over what social security is for. I believe it's for people who NEED it. I think it's stupid that people who NEED it may not get it, because millions of dollars are going to people who DON'T need it.
Perhaps if every paycheck had only one federal and state deduction on it and just called it "taxes" which included everything along with social security, everyone would stop complaining.

[stich]

just the fact that you're grouping welfare bums in with social security recipients, is ignorant to say the least.


How the heck did you extract that from that?
Talk about ignorant!

[BG]

Gotta love The Rich...

http://www.boundless.org/2000/regulars/money_talks/a0000389.html

BG

[CsharpDev]

Yes lets reward all those hard working CEO's who are closing factories and sending our jobs over seas so they can make 1.1M/year instead of 1M. And because of tax loopholes he actualy bennefits from this.

What about the guy who busted his hump, blood sweat and tears in that factory for 10, 20, 30 + years... all he gets is directions to the unemployment line.... I guess he didn't work hard enough?

[BG]

He didn't work Smart Enough.

BG

[stich]

He didn't work Smart Enough.

BG


Bingo, can't help the stupid.

[truckboy]

You guys will be singing a different tune when it's your job.

Nobody has a problem with people who work had getting to keep their money and lazy asses not getting it. It's the corporate criminals and those born on top that screw the little guy to stay there who chap my ass.

[TrailBate]

It's the mergers and buyouts that piss me off. All you hear through their PR is how it's going to help them serve their customers, when the only people it helps is the CEO's. Then the layoffs begin. And it's not just the "stupid" people, it's anyone in any department.

[Slider]

Saw this cartoon today and couldn't help but think of this thread. (It won't be there after this coming Sunday.)

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http://www.people.virginia.edu/~jls6c/thisweekstrip.html

[TrailBate]

Well, at least Bush's energy policy is helping the middle class:

Exxon Mobil made its first quarter earnings announcement this morning. Its $7.86 billion in profit was the company's largest first-quarter profit ever; it was the fifth largest quarterly profit for any company in U.S. history. The announcement came on news that first-quarter growth in the U.S. economy, at 3.1 percent, was the slowest it has been in two years.


oh, wait.....??

[stich]

Tanks, APCs, boats, helicopters, & fighter planes need fuel duh!
Gotta pound those terrorists back to the stone age till thy cry Uncle
(Sam that is).

Stich

[TrailBate]

So, who listened to Bush's "ideas" last night? I love the one where he's going to have other countries increase oil production (even though the fact that we're refining at peak capacity makes this moot), and he's spending $2 BILLION to research COAL!!!!

yeah, at least he has "ideas"

[Mr_Cheeze]

I found it interesting that the President did not suggest that Americans take some responsibility in their own hands and, at least, think about energy conservation.

Oh, how silly of me. Conservation? He and his oil magnate buddies wouldn't make more money if we only conserved. Duh.

[CsharpDev]

If other countries produce more oil and we can buy the oil cheaper then the US companies can make more money. If Bush gets the price of oil dropped so that the price of gasoline can go down $0.30 and then gas prices go down $0.15 instead, big pay day for him and his friends, and we're all happy clams because gas is back under $2 a gal.

[felixatvtc]

Well, at least Bush's energy policy is helping the middle class:


I think George Carlin said it the best years ago:

The upper class, make all of the money, pay none of the taxes. The middle class, do all of the work, pay all of the taxes. The lower class, is just there to scare the middle class, keep them going to there jobs

[TrailBate]

If other countries produce more oil and we can buy the oil cheaper then the US companies can make more money. If Bush gets the price of oil dropped so that the price of gasoline can go down $0.30 and then gas prices go down $0.15 instead, big pay day for him and his friends, and we're all happy clams because gas is back under $2 a gal.


see the story I posted above about Exxon posting it's biggest profit ever. Oil companies like things just the way they are right now. And getting countries to pump more oil won't do a whole lot because the US is already refining at it's maximum capacity.