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pk
November 18th, 2004, 02:51 PM
NEMBA and IMBA have spend a lot of time analyzing the new proposed Forest Service management plan, and weve determined that there are some aspect which will be highly detrimental to the future of mountain biking in this forest.

We urgently need your help by sending emails or letters.

DEFEND MOUNTAIN BIKE ACCESS IN THE WHITE MOUNTAINS OF NEW HAMPSHIRE

A new management plan for the White Mountain National Forest in New Hampshire could greatly diminish bicycling opportunities. We urge all New England mountain bikers to write to the U.S. Forest Service right away.

To comment:
All mailed comments must be postmarked by December 16, 2004. Send comments by email to wmnfplan@fs.fed.us or by mail to Forest Planner, WMNF, 719 N Main St, Laconia, NH 03246.

Key points:
Include one or more of the following points in your own words. Any personal stories that illustrate your point are especially helpful.

1. Travel management: Mountain biking should be permitted on non-system trails unless posted closed. The impacts of cyclists and hikers are similar, and treating them differently will harm relationships, require enforcement, and not solve any environmental problems.

2. Wilderness: Proposed Wilderness areas, if ratified by Congress, would prohibit bicycles from important trails. If you enjoy riding any of the trails (listed in the background section below), please mention them by name. Urge the Forest to use boundary adjustments and alternative designations to avoid these trails so that trails appropriate for mountain biking are not impacted by Wilderness. Also ask the Forest Service to protect all roadless areas from further road building.

3. Summertime ORV use: the Moat Mountain region is inappropriate for the ORV use proposed in Alternative #4.


To learn more about the plan:


Refer to the background summary information below and visit the Forest Service website: http://www.fs.fed.us/r9/white/3_WM_fpr_Web/forest_plan/revision/

Please pass this alert on to your friends and associates. Thank you for taking action!

Philip Keyes
NEMBA executive director

Mark Jenks
IMBA New Hampshire representative

Gary Sprung
IMBA staff

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BACKGROUND

The White Mountain National Forest has a history of good relations with bicyclists. The new plan does not change this, but bicycling management is a new task that seems to be challenging these well-meaning managers. The problems stem from two problems. The first is old: Bicyclists generally support protecting America’s undeveloped public lands, but Wilderness bans bicycling. Federal regulations mandate that the Forest Service evaluate new Wilderness possibilities when it revises a forest plan. In this case, the agency is proposing to recommend new and expanded Wilderness, which would ultimately close trails to biking.

The other main problem is the expansion of unauthorized trails in this forest and just about everywhere. Trails and trail users do cause some impacts to ecosystems and when users build new routes without permission, problems multiply. The agency’s proposed answer to this problem is a prohibition of bicycling on most unofficial routes.

Bicyclists are may be one of the groups building new routes through the forests, but we’re hardly alone. More important is the fact that simply riding on existing, old and sketchy trails causes no more harm to the land than hiking those routes and no one is proposing banning hiking on those paths. Since there is little difference in our impact to the land, the Forest Service should not discriminate against cycling.

Travel management:

The proposed plan presents three mountain-bike specific rules:


1. The first rule (S-1) would say that bicycling is allowed on all system trails, except where specified closed, such as the Appalachian Trail. IMBA and NEMBA support this provision.

2. The second rule states, “Cross-country mountain bike travel outside the open system of Forest trails and open travel corridors is prohibited.” This suffers from problems of definition. The Forest Service documents do not define “cross-country travel.” If it means trampling on vegetation, IMBA would support a ban on cross-country travel, for cyclists and all other users. But in this proposed rule the agency appears to prohibit bicycling on most of the narrow, unofficial paths through the forest. If hiking is allowed on those paths, bicycling should be allowed too. Our impacts are about the same.

3. The third proposed rule states, “Mountain biking will not be allowed on travel corridors unless open to that use.” This is plainly discriminatory. What about mountain biking makes it improper on travel corridors? Why should bicycling face a “closed-unless-opened” policy while hiking and equestrian travel enjoy the “open-unless-closed approach?


The Forest Service should address the problem of unauthorized trails through site-specific travel management planning processes. Banning biking will only harm relationships and not solve the environmental problem. There may be sensitive areas where non-system trail use is problematic, but in those places the agency should require ALL users to stay on trails.

Wilderness:

IMBA and NEMBA support protection of all roadless areas on all national forests. But the White Mountain National Forest should recognize that Wilderness is not the only way to protect public lands. Options include boundary adjustments to avoid trails; White Mountain-specific rules to protect roadless areas; and planning designations such as “Management Area 6.2 Semi-Primitive Non-Motorized Recreation” in this plan or the “Primitive Backcountry” class used in the Chattahoochie National Forest of Georgia.

Areas with trails threatened by potential new Wilderness in the White Mountain N.F. include:


a. Sandwich Range expansion: Greeley Ponds, Mt. Osceola, East Pond, Guinea Pond, and Black Mountain Pond trails
b. Wild River: Highwater, Wild River, Black Angel, Basin, Burnt Mill Brook, Moriah Brook, Bog Brook, Wildcat River, Rainbow and Shelburne trails.
c. Pemigewasset expansion: Hancock Notch, Sawyer Pond, and Signal Ridge trails
d. Kilkenny: Mt. Starr King, York Pond, Bunnell Notch, Mt. Cabot, and Unknown Pond trails.


Summertime ORV use in the Moat Mountain area:

Alternative 4 would authorize a new motorized trail system in the Moat Mountains area just west of North Conway. This is a heavily used bicycling and hiking area near quiet neighborhoods and is an inappropriate place for a motorized system. There is insufficient parking for current users, and motorized users would require significantly more space to accommodate vehicles with trailers. Additionally, there are multiple unauthorized points of access, such as from the five neighborhoods that abut the Forest, which would create poor conditions for enforcement.

radair
December 13th, 2004, 09:56 AM
Thess are the final few days to provide comments. We really need people to support an open-unless-closed policy for the WMNF.

Please take a few minutes to send in a letter or e-mail.

AA
December 13th, 2004, 10:42 AM
Article from yesterdays Boston Globe

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2004/12/11/proposed_forest_plan_limits_mountain_biking_to_tra ils/

pk
December 13th, 2004, 11:27 AM
And here ...

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041213/REPOSITORY/412130340/1031

and here....

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041213/NEWS02/41213003/-1/news02

Who is this Rob Adair guy anyway? He seems to be all over the place! ;D

pk

radair
December 13th, 2004, 04:06 PM
.....Who is this Rob Adair guy anyway? He seems to be all over the place!

No kidding, and where did they get MY name?!

The potential power of one letter is amazing - I wrote to the Conway Board of Selectmen, the local free paper picked up the story and called me, then it apparently went out on the "wire" to the other papers. I even got a call from greenwire.com, out of Washington DC.....

Moral of the story - write! Get involved! (PLEASE)

Mr_Cheeze
December 16th, 2004, 08:52 AM
The only problem I have with the NEMBA/IMBA stance is the dubious claim that mountain biking causes no more trail damage or erosion to old trails than hiking. One need only to come across a muddy trail or section to see that bikers generally ignore the damage caused by pedalling through, where hikers can easily walk around. That's just one example. Spin outs, skids, and drops all contribute to greater wear and tear of trails. I realize arguments are trying to me made against exclusion of bikes, but to make such false claims does not help the cause.

AA
December 16th, 2004, 09:01 AM
So Cheeze, if everyone walks around a puddle then you get a blowout on either side of the puddle. Is that a better alternative than tire tracks in the middle of the puddle? You certainly entitled to your opinion (as I am entitled to mine) however it seems to me that you like to make contrary statements just to debate issues. I wont be like others and get into a pissing match with you, I have stated my opinion (it differs than yours) and I will move on.

BG
December 16th, 2004, 09:23 AM
"if everyone walks around a puddle then you get a blowout on either side of the puddle. Is that a better alternative than tire tracks in the middle of the puddle?"

It's not neccessarily a worse alternative, in fact in some cases it can alleviate the problem altogether, depending upon what you pecieve the problem is. The best alternative is to "FIX" the puddle, or re-route effectively around it. To say it's better to go through the puddle and think that solves anything is pretty much nonsense.

BG

sizlinseagulsoup
December 16th, 2004, 09:56 AM
"Rep. Howard Dickinson, R-Conway,"

Republican... I hope you republicans take notice of this nov. of 2006!

TrailBate
December 16th, 2004, 10:03 AM
The only problem I have with the NEMBA/IMBA stance is the dubious claim that mountain biking causes no more trail damage or erosion to old trails than hiking. One need only to come across a muddy trail or section to see that bikers generally ignore the damage caused by pedalling through, where hikers can easily walk around. That's just one example. Spin outs, skids, and drops all contribute to greater wear and tear of trails. I realize arguments are trying to me made against exclusion of bikes, but to make such false claims does not help the cause.



walking around a puddle does more damage than riding through it, because it tramples vegetation and widens the trail. spinouts and skids certainly cause more damage than clean biking, but hikers jump and slip also.

C.P.
December 16th, 2004, 10:06 AM
The only problem I have with the NEMBA/IMBA stance is the dubious claim that mountain biking causes no more trail damage or erosion to old trails than hiking. One need only to come across a muddy trail or section to see that bikers generally ignore the damage caused by pedalling through, where hikers can easily walk around. That's just one example. Spin outs, skids, and drops all contribute to greater wear and tear of trails. I realize arguments are trying to me made against exclusion of bikes, but to make such false claims does not help the cause.


This is such an OLD argument that isn't productive AT ALL. IMBA, NEMBA and even Hiking organizations have been doing trail management long enough to recognize that it isn't worth arguing over which user causes more damage then the other. Each user group does recognize that poor trail design, poor comunication and poor general maintenance is what causes more trail erosion then anything else. Thus, it is in our interest to focus on the benefits of keeping access to users like us Bikers because we have proved time and time again that we are excellent stewarts to the lend we are granted access to. Be careful what you sow Cheeze. You wouldn't want to be excluded from the trails becuase of such a pointless argument. Why? because it wouldn't take any educated trail user very long to point out the erosion YOU cause when you ride....get it? NOT Productive trail "talk". Move on to productive discussion that keeps the trail open, and managed.

Mr_Cheeze
December 16th, 2004, 10:06 AM
So Cheeze, if everyone walks around a puddle then you get a blowout on either side of the puddle. Is that a better alternative than tire tracks in the middle of the puddle? You certainly entitled to your opinion (as I am entitled to mine) however it seems to me that you like to make contrary statements just to debate issues. I wont be like others and get into a pissing match with you, I have stated my opinion (it differs than yours) and I will move on.


Hey, I'm just pointing out the inaccuracy of the statement that hiking does as much damage as mountain biking. It is just not true. That's all. I'm all for getting as much access as can be reasonable expected, but pro-hiker advocates are just going to scoff at that argument. I'm not trying to get into any pissing contest about anything or purposely take a contrary opinion just to be provocative. If you dislike my tone in political discussions, fine. I didn't do that here. I simply made a point. If you disagree with it, ok. But chill out.

Mr_Cheeze
December 16th, 2004, 10:24 AM
This is such an OLD argument that isn't productive AT ALL. IMBA, NEMBA and even Hiking organizations have been doing trail management long enough to recognize that it isn't worth arguing over which user causes more damage then the other. Each user group does recognize that poor trail design, poor comunication and poor general maintenance is what causes more trail erosion then anything else. Thus, it is in our interest to focus on the benefits of keeping access to users like us Bikers because we have proved time and time again that we are excellent stewarts to the lend we are granted access to. Be careful what you sow Cheeze. You wouldn't want to be excluded from the trails becuase of such a pointless argument. Why? because it wouldn't take any educated trail user very long to point out the erosion YOU cause when you ride....get it? NOT Productive trail "talk". Move on to productive discussion that keeps the trail open, and managed.


The issue was brought up by PK in the first post and I stated my opinion on it... this being a discussion forum and all. Such debate is always fruitful if it educates. I've not been privy to such discussions in the past, so sorry if you are bored by the rehashing of stuff you've seen before. Like many bikers, I am also an avid hiker, so when I see this claim being made, I can't help but raise an eyebrow and pause before getting behind the movement. Again, I am not being a contrarian on purpose. I realize it's a minor issue in the big picture. We all have an interest in access issues, whether we ride in a given area or not. I don't want to see fellow riders lose valuable trails. At the same time, I can sympathize with issues brought about by hiking advocates and wilderness conservatives. Every side has people with narrow views based on selfish desires. So I think dialogue is healthy, no matter how small the issue.

benb
December 16th, 2004, 11:27 AM
Which portions of the plan does NEMBA oppose?

Some portions sound good...

Especially keeping people ON the trails.

I'd be curious which portions NEMBA supports and which ones it opposes..

Do the new wilderness designations kill a large trail system that is actively used and maintained by NEMBA members?

Hiker/biker conflicts seem like a stupid reason at this point to kick a group of the trails. Other than the jerks in every user group people seem to have adjusted to bikes by now. I don't even remember the last time I had a hiker or equestrian freak out on me.

pk
December 16th, 2004, 11:31 AM
Which portions of the plan does NEMBA oppose?

Some portions sound good...

Especially keeping people ON the trails.

I'd be curious which portions NEMBA supports and which ones it opposes..



Check this out for details:

http://www.nemba.org/nembaevents/action.html#whites2004

pk