ATV's in Bear Brook

[Sci Teach]

No April fools joke here!

I've heard that an "around the bend" technique has been used to move forward (read: go around the public forum)
to get the variance (to a wellhead setback and ignore the filter process) to House Bill 349 passed and allow ATV trails to be built. What I'm hearing second hand is that some state reps attached the variance to another bill (one designed to limit ATV use on private lands) that was up for vote yesterday. My sources say it looks like a done deal and ATV's are on their way......... >:(

I hope my sources are wrong.......does anyone else know about this??????

It's a longshot, but if integrated and supervised correctly i t
hink this could work out positively for everyone 8)

http://www.nhtrails.org/Trailspages/ATVpages/ATVTrailSystemPlan.pdf


For anyone looking for further info on the general subject

It's a longshot, but if integrated and supervised correctly i t
hink this could work out positively for everyone 8)

http://www.nhtrails.org/Trailspages/ATVpages/ATVTrailSystemPlan.pdf


For anyone looking for further info on the general subject


Added nh trails link

[mtbtom]

"The presence of wheeled OHRV's need not result in a detriment to other trail
users, particulary in light of a trail plan that helps set the tone for multiple use
integration"

Haha, that's pretty funny. Go take a hike a Clough state park during moto season and report back how enjoyable it was.

"Trail integration". As long as your trail isn't a singletrack I guess.

Can't expect the same experience at all parks. I enjoy Clough for what is is (or isn't). Maybe similar to why bicycle delivery dudes like to ride in traffic. They have integerated themselves to situation because they enjoy the those surroundings. Call me crazy, that's ok. All trails are not singletrack and all trail users don't necc. require or enjoy singletrack. Look at the numbers, both user quantity and financial resources add the increasing political power and structure, backing. It's time to work together with mainstream and alternative user groups and land owners/managers ,not against User groups need to set a precedene of co-operation or we will all lose. I believe ther can be integrated trail systems. Not all sharing the "same trail", that's not logical or practical all the time. I enjoy hikking, mtb'ing and atv'ing at Clough. But maybe i'm in the minority, won't be the first time. ;D ;D

[mtbtom]

I don't dispute the fact that ATV riders need or deserve a place to go have "fun" - I just don't think Bear Brook State Park is the place to do it.

As far as I can tell multiple use trails that include motorized users don't exist around here. It's true that the trails may be open to everyone but the fact of the matter is that other trail users are soon driven away - not wanting to put up with the sound of screaming engines in the woods, the smell of buring oil or wide trails with loose churned up soil and mud holes. Hence my Clough example.

My point: Find a place to have ATV trails whereever that may be but not at the expense of everyone else who uses this popular park.

Agreed. Yet somehow on 10,000 acres i think something could be equitably arranged

[paul_C]

I agree every one needs a place to ride! Bear Brook IS not a place for motorized use anyone concernered this is our last chance to voice an opionion, the takes place 5/6,, the atv web sites are agressively asking all atvr's to write to legilators in favor of passing sb343
this is the same as sb 349 please write your legislator ask that they hold the senate's position on this issue and send sb343 to interim study ask them to vote NOT CONCUR ON THIS ISSUE..... if you want more info contact me
here is a list of legilators
Name and Address
Contact Information

John Gallus
292 Prospect Street
Berlin, NH 03570-2137
(H) (603)752-1066
(O) (603)752-6000
john.gallus@leg.state.nh.us

Carl Johnson
42 Dale Road
Meredith, NH 03253-6802
(H) (603)279-6492
(O) None Specified
carljean@worldpath.net

Joseph Kenney
PO Box 201
Union, NH 03887-0201
(H) (603)473-2569
(O) (603)271-3073
majjkenney@prodigy.net

Robert Boyce
268 Alton Mountain Road
Alton Bay, NH 03810-4314
(H) (603)875-7371
(O) None Specified
robert.boyce@leg.state.nh.us

Clifton Below
25 Perley Avenue
Lebanon, NH 03766-1816
(H) (603)448-2519
(O) (603)448-5899
cbelow@tpk.net

Richard Green
15 Nola Avenue
Rochester, NH 03867-3316
(H) (603)332-1567
(O) None Specified

Robert Flanders
P.O. Box 1
Antrim, NH 03440-0001
(H) (603)588-2159
(O) (603)271-2246
flandersrb@aol.com

Bob Odell
PO Box 23
Lempster, NH 03605-0023
(H) (603)863-9260
(O) (603)863-9797
rpojr@aol.com

Sheila Roberge
83 Olde Lantern Road
Bedford, NH 03110-4816
(H) (603)472-8391
(O) (603)641-6900
livia.acdan@leg.state.nh.us

Thomas Eaton
27 Pheasant Hill Road
Keene, NH 03431-4339
(H) (603)352-8887
(O) None Specified
thomas.eaton@leg.state.nh.us

Andrew Peterson
PO Box 59
Peterborough, NH 03458-0059
(H) (603)924-7817
(O) (603)924-3321
andrewpeterson@adelphia.net

Jane O'Hearn
7 Pope Circle
Nashua, NH 03063-3307
(H) (603)889-6036
(O) (603)271-3041
jane.ohearn@leg.state.nh.us

Joseph Foster
9 Keats Street
Nashua, NH 03062-2509
(H) (603)891-0307
(O) (603)595-9700
joeafoster@aol.com

Robert Clegg
39 Trigate Road
Hudson, NH 03051-5120
(H) (603)880-6193
(O) (603)594-9141
senclegg@aol.com

Sylvia Larsen
23 Kensington Road
Concord, NH 03301
(H) (603)225-6130
(O) (603)271-3076
sylvia.larsen@leg.state.nh.us

Theodore Gatsas
582 Chestnut Street
Manchester, NH 03104-6052
(H) (603)668-1233
(O) (603)623-0220
t.gatsas@leg.state.nh.us

John Barnes
PO Box 362
Raymond, NH 03077-3062
(H) (603)895-9352
(O) None Specified
jack.barnes@leg.state.nh.us

Andre' Martel
237 Riverdale Avenue
Manchester, NH 03103-7301
(H) (603)622-8411
(O) None Specified
andre.martel@leg.state.nh.us

Frank Sapareto
14 Oxbow Lane
Derry, NH 03038-4533
(H) (603)894-7083
(O) (603)894-4964
frank.sapareto@leg.state.nh.us

Lou D'Allesandro
332 St. James Avenue
Manchester, NH 03102-4950
(H) (603)669-3494
(O) (603)271-2600
dalas@leg.state.nh.us

Iris Estabrook
8 Burnham Avenue
Durham, NH 03824-3011
(H) (603)868-5524
(O) None Specified

Charles Morse
18 Brook Hollow Drive
Salem, NH 03079-1866
(H) (603)894-5459
(O) (603)362-6200

Russell Prescott
8 Farm Road
Kingston, NH 03848-3121
(H) (603)642-4243
(O) (603)772-4321
prescott@forfamily.net

Burton Cohen
P.O. Box 208
New Castle, NH 03854-0208
(H) (603)431-2581
(O) (603)431-0066
burtc@rcn.com

[paul_C]

NEWS RELEASE
STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
Carol A. Murray, Commissioner
Ram Maddali

Transportation Planning Bureau

(603) 271-3344

Bill Boynton

Public Information Office

(603) 271-6495





For Immediate Release Contacts:

April 20, 2004











PUBLIC MEETINGS SET FOR STATE TRAILS PLAN

FIVE SESSIONS STATEWIDE BETWEEN MAY 3 AND MAY 13





















The New Hampshire Department of Transportation (NHDOT) and the New Hampshire Department of Resources and Economic Development (DRED) announce the scheduling of five public meetings across the state to present information and receive input on the development of a State Trails Plan.



The scope of the project is as follows:

To develop a joint NHDOT/DRED State Trails Plan by inventorying and mapping all bicycle/pedestrian projects and developed/undeveloped rail corridors; developing a statewide short range and long range plan for the integration of recreational/transportation trails with rail corridors and other bicycle/pedestrian facilities; developing design guidance for bicycle/pedestrian and recreational trail improvements; and developing policies with regard to funding, developing and maintaining transportation and recreational trails.



Public Meeting Schedule



May 3, 2004 - Keene Public Library, 60 Winter Street, Keene (6:30 PM)



May 5, 2004 - Red Barn (next to North Country Council Offices), 107 Glessner Road,

Bethlehem (6:30 PM)



May 6, 2004 - Lebanon Senior Center, 10 Campbell Street, Lebanon (6:30 PM)



May 11, 2004 - Portsmouth City Hall, 1 Junkins Avenue, Portsmouth (6:30 PM)



May 13, 2004 - NHDOT, 7 Hazen Drive, Concord (6:30 PM)



The intent of these public meetings is to present information collected on the inventory of existing, planned and potential bicycle paths and rail trails as well as draft NHDOT and Department of Resources and Economic Development (DRED) policies on future trail development. Based on the public input, a draft plan will be developed towards the end of May 2004. For more information please visit the project website: http://www.rizzo.com/nh_state_trails_plan.htm



























































I urge all trail users in these areas to make an attempt to attend one of these meetings and listen to what they say and the under lying impact this will have on the passive trail users tTHESE ARE PUBLIC MEETINGS!!! you can ask questions and ask for clairification on technical terminoligy









NEWS RELEASE
STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
Carol A. Murray, Commissioner
Ram Maddali

Transportation Planning Bureau

(603) 271-3344

Bill Boynton

Public Information Office

(603) 271-6495





For Immediate Release Contacts:

April 20, 2004











PUBLIC MEETINGS SET FOR STATE TRAILS PLAN

FIVE SESSIONS STATEWIDE BETWEEN MAY 3 AND MAY 13





















The New Hampshire Department of Transportation (NHDOT) and the New Hampshire Department of Resources and Economic Development (DRED) announce the scheduling of five public meetings across the state to present information and receive input on the development of a State Trails Plan.



The scope of the project is as follows:

To develop a joint NHDOT/DRED State Trails Plan by inventorying and mapping all bicycle/pedestrian projects and developed/undeveloped rail corridors; developing a statewide short range and long range plan for the integration of recreational/transportation trails with rail corridors and other bicycle/pedestrian facilities; developing design guidance for bicycle/pedestrian and recreational trail improvements; and developing policies with regard to funding, developing and maintaining transportation and recreational trails.



Public Meeting Schedule



May 3, 2004 - Keene Public Library, 60 Winter Street, Keene (6:30 PM)



May 5, 2004 - Red Barn (next to North Country Council Offices), 107 Glessner Road,

Bethlehem (6:30 PM)



May 6, 2004 - Lebanon Senior Center, 10 Campbell Street, Lebanon (6:30 PM)



May 11, 2004 - Portsmouth City Hall, 1 Junkins Avenue, Portsmouth (6:30 PM)



May 13, 2004 - NHDOT, 7 Hazen Drive, Concord (6:30 PM)



The intent of these public meetings is to present information collected on the inventory of existing, planned and potential bicycle paths and rail trails as well as draft NHDOT and Department of Resources and Economic Development (DRED) policies on future trail development. Based on the public input, a draft plan will be developed towards the end of May 2004. For more information please visit the project website: http://www.rizzo.com/nh_state_trails_plan.htm

[paul_C]

Thank all of you that help persade the the senate !


On Thursday, 5/6/04, the Senate voted to "not concur" with the House amendments to SB343. This means that the changes to the fine filter criteria that were tacked onto SB343 by the House will not go into effect -- at least for now. I will let you know if the bill resurfaces this session.

I want to thank everyone for your support and for your time spent contacting legislators during the past few months.

[paul_C]

I mean sb 349 sorry!

[minkhiller]

Great news Paul. And the thanks should go to you for all the research you did. I guess we should be prepared to see this come up again.

[paul_C]

I can't take credit here! the attaboy goes to Phil Trowbridge Conservation Commissoner for Allenstown you can e-mail him at ptrow@alum.mit.edu and thank him.

[mtbtom]

This is awesome news. :)

Chock one up for clean air, quiet trails and singletrack.

[Sci Teach]

Yahoo!!!!!!

Such good news Paul...and everyone else who has made their voices heard!!!!!

I go away for a couple of days...and good things happen! ;D
(Is it a hint?? ;) )

YIPEE!!!!!!

[Shodan]

See my message further up

they had a motocross race at Bear Brook last Sunday 6/13 there is no way you can share a mtn bike trail with motorized vehicles, in 2 hrs of a slow paced race they shreded the trails and drove out all hikers, bikers, runners and fishermen. and when we left ,the trails were 3-4 inches of loose sand and roots hanging in mid air. If anyone thinks we can co exist go take a look for yourself. and remember this was a short, 1 time motocross race and slow speeds.

[BrianK]

^^^
How did this happen? Did they get to break the rules because it was a police sponsorred event? :-X

[scooter]

No, it was specially permitted because it was sponsored by a well-known club ( I think they have a history with the park), and the proceeds of the event were to be donated to charity ( I think Cystic Fibrosis).

Only a few bikes rode thru the park, the damage was much worse than I would have thought.

It's mostly healed over now, though the broken roots are still dangling.