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CouchingTiger
August 25th, 2003, 02:03 PM
I just wanted to start a thread about some best practices that we have been learning as we are able to build more freeride/DH type trails. This a new frontier not only to the folks at NEMBA but pretty much to everyone (save a few DH ski areas and a mess of rogue builders).

From my standpoint, the main concerns are reliability, maintainability and safety. To that end, many FR/DH trails as well as certain types of natural obstacles are really hard to maintain. The flow of traffic wants to naturally destroy them.

Right now I'll discuss a technique/device that I have found to be super useful in shoring up a dirt based roll-in drop-off. A roll-in drop-off is basically a steep drop (though typically not verticle) that you can either nose-down or you can roll-in with some speed and huck off.

The problem with these types of obstacles, especially when dirt based, is that erosion wants to wreck them. You are fighting not only wind/water wanting to smooth it out but also folks riding over it.

What I've noted good luck with is a man made, wooden frame that you sink into the run-in of the drop. This frame doesn't inhibit the natural flow of the drop at all but serves to shore up the end of the drop and hold the earth from eroding down the slope. It also cribs the back side of the drop while still allowing folks to nose-in on it vs. huck it.

The main construction is a frame based on two roughly parallel members of wood (I used PT landscape timbers in this example). These pieces (rails) would go parallel to the flow of the drop. The support comes from three timbers (rungs) cut to span between the two rails. The rungs are bolted to the bottoms of the two main rails, one on each end and one in the middle. you then have, basically, a ladder frame that should be the width of and a good part of the length of the "ramp" of your drop.

Affixing the ladder frame to the drop is simply a matter of burying it into the ramp so that the rungs are under the surface and only part of the rails are exposed. The end of the frame should not extend past the nose of the drop, though you can extend it a little and crib the frame up from underneath with rocks and dirt. The frame shoudl not be left overhanging at all though. It needs to be fully supported.

I just put one together that is going to get a trail up at Sunday River. This one is a little more elaborate as I wanted the make sure and crib the backside of the drop. We'll see how it works.

-Couch

CouchingTiger
August 25th, 2003, 02:11 PM
Another pix

CouchingTiger
August 25th, 2003, 02:37 PM
Here's a pix taken by DP a couple years back that shows an example of a similar ladder-frame in place on a roll-in drop. Rocks were used to crib and anchor the frame. Photo is of the Stork going huge ;)

-Couch

T Grimble
August 25th, 2003, 05:45 PM
This is a real good thread. Downhill / Freeride trails are, by nature, not sustainable. This does not mean they are bad trails or that they shouldn't be built; it means that they require a ton of care and maintenance to keep them from going to pot.

This frame looks good. I wonder if the leg could be constructed at an angle so that the entry to the drop is not always vertical. A problem that often occurs with water bars is that water cascading over the top undermines the downhill side of the bar. An angle to the leg might allow the water to stay on the surface and not undermine the bottom. It would also create a non-vertical entry to the drop, which may be appropriate in some (but not desirable in all) spots.

I am still a fan of building drops on solid rock or employing good old-fashioned rock armoring but this looks like another tactic to have on hand.

-Tom

CouchingTiger
August 26th, 2003, 08:05 AM
... I wonder if the leg could be constructed at an angle so that the entry to the drop is not always vertical. A problem that often occurs with water bars is that water cascading over the top undermines the downhill side of the bar. An angle to the leg might allow the water to stay on the surface and not undermine the bottom. It would also create a non-vertical entry to the drop, which may be appropriate in some (but not desirable in all) spots.

I am still a fan of building drops on solid rock or employing good old-fashioned rock armoring but this looks like another tactic to have on hand.

-Tom



I gave that angle of the legs a bunch of thought before buildring the frame. There were a couple of reasons that I went the way that I did. For one, I built the legs as anchors more than anything else. In that, I wanted them to be sunk back into the bank of the drop rather than free floating.

From what I have observed with similar setups, the first foot or two of the drop ends up being vertical anyhow. You then get a slope developing naturally at the bottom of the drop and quickly getting shallower an angle.

Ideally, this frame will be placed into the drop on a slight downslope. That makes the drop easier top huck, for one, and also helps keep the frame "filled" with earth as the natural path of erosion is down into the frame vs. away from it.

Who knows. Hopefully it will work.

I also agree completely w/ Tom on natural vs. man made stuff. Rock drops and rock armored drops are the way to fly for sure. I'd love to see us spend more time making some sweet rock drops with rock armored transitions. They look good, work great and last WAY longer than anything made out of wood. This frame is purpose built for an existing trail application at a DH area.

-Couch

CouchingTiger
August 31st, 2003, 08:08 PM
Here are a couple shots of the retaining frame in place on Greasy Monkey at Sunday River (thanks to Steve). The drop is soooo sweet! Good junk!

-Couch

CouchingTiger
August 31st, 2003, 08:09 PM
One more, dropping the bad monkey!

-Couch

CouchingTiger
September 2nd, 2003, 11:10 AM
BTW, the drop isn't actually as big as it looks in the 1st pix. It's only a couple feet verticle to a steep sloped tranny. If you really air it out you could drop probably 6' or better, but it shoots right into a concer (and tree if you miss the corner).

-Couch