I can't make this stuff up.

[Mr_Cheeze]

Window image awes faithful


By Elizabeth Boch, Globe Correspondent, 6/13/2003

To the faithful, it is nothing short of a miracle, a holy apparition worth a pilgrimage to Milton Hospital.

To hospital officials, it's merely a five-year-old coincidence, caused in part by a leaky window seal.

A steady stream of people came to the hospital yesterday to glimpse what was described as the image of the Virgin Mary in a second-story office window. But the crowds of curiosity seekers and devout pilgrims - many of whom lingered to pray - packed the parking lots, clogged traffic on nearby streets, and strained the patience of hospital authorities.

Polly Petrie, 67, of Cape Cod, drove from her home yesterday morning to see the image for herself after hearing a report on the Wednesday evening news. Running a rosary through her fingers, she said the Blessed Mother came to Milton Hospital because the country - and the world - is in turmoil.

''I'm close to Our Lady anyway, but today we really need her more than ever because of the sad situation that the world is in,'' she said, adding that her four children were delivered at Milton Hospital. ''We're all really looking for a little bit of hope.''

The window, located near the rear of the Eye Health Services clinic, is situated near a wall inside the building that blocks light from an eye examination room. As a result, light reflecting off the wall makes the image visible from a distance.

The company that installed the window told the hospital that sealant around that window ruptured about five years ago, allowing heat and moisture to seep in. The condensation apparently produced a curious pattern that some said resembled the Virgin Mary. Word reached the faithful after a doctor said he clearly saw the image.

Liz Osborne, business manager for Eye Health Services, said the area near the window has been crowded for the past few days as people wait in line to see it and touch the exterior wall. Despite the swarms of people bringing flowers, rosaries, and balloons, she said business has not been interrupted.

Osborne said she does not believe the image is a holy apparition, but ''it's what people wish it to be.''

The Archdiocese of Boston declined to comment on the image yesterday.

On Wednesday, traffic near the hospital was backed up to a standstill at some points, and two of the hospital parking lots were packed or overflowing throughout the afternoon. Guards directed cars around traffic cones set up next to the wall, and some people parked on the grass.

''I see a lot of people coming,'' said hospital guard Augustine Edomwonyi. ''A lot of people who come to the hospital for the doctors have nowhere to park. These people aren't here for them, just for the picture.''

A hospital spokeswoman said officials want to be respectful of those who want to visit, but ''it's been a continuous stream of cars'' and access to the hospital has been blocked.

Nearly everyone who saw the window agreed the image seemed to be the Virgin Mary cradling her son. But she was standing either among clouds, on a mountaintop, or astride a globe, depending on one's perspective.

William and Kaitlyn Alzened, 6 and 7, came from Quincy with their mother and placed a plain white balloon with the message, ''Blessed Mary please help me and be with us always'' written in blue ink. ''

Some visitors had seen similar apparitions before, and wanted to confirm this one.

Eddie Bowler, 8, came with his mother and his children's prayer group from St. Paul's Parish in Hingham. ''God works miracles, and I think this is one of them,'' he said. ''He wants to show people he really does exist.''

Last summer, the boy said, his family arrived in Bosnia to visit six visionaries who began communicating with the Virgin Mary in 1981. They also visited Clearwater, Fla., where in 1994 a multi-colored bust image of the Virgin Mary appeared on the window of a bank.

Deborah Anne Mason of Medford clutched and kissed four rosaries - one of them an antique silver set that belonged to her father. She said she was skeptical at first, but saw the image in the window and felt ''like a suspension, a dizziness, an unbelievable happiness.''

This story ran on page B4 of the Boston Globe on 6/13/2003.
© Copyright 2003 Globe Newspaper Company.

[Mr_Cheeze]

I really get a kick out of this stuff. This could have easily been from The Onion. And this one right in our back yard in Milton!
Maybe she wanted people to donate to the Save Vietnam fund.

Boy, some people are so starving for answers to life's unanswerable questions.

Boy, some people are so starving for answers to life's unanswerable questions.


And many are fullfilled by faith, which provides all the answers they need.

[Mr_Cheeze]

Come on, Bill. Lighten up, for god's sake. I am not trying to insult christianity. You have to admit that this kind of thing is pretty funny. I mean, it was condensation on a window!

[knucklebuste]

Did I ever tell you that Jesus and I ride together? He loves to huch and is eyeing out a new banshee scream. Oh and Joseph rides a Stinky Primo. They really love to ride. You should ride with us sometime. knuck

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Yeah, but I always feel like they're cheating...I mean, you know how he walks on water and all...it's not fair when he gets 20' more air than I do...

[Sky Pilot]

well, my brother, a skeptical man, visited my dad on father's day down on the south shore, and his wife wanted to go see this hospital image for herself. he reluctantly agreed.

i'm sure you've already guessed that he said there's no question that the image is of mary. it's obvious. :o

i think the most interesting part of this thread is that people who think the whole thing is silly still feel obligated to confront it, as if the mere possibility that something other then the natural could occur is rattling their worldview.

or perhaps even more interesting, that if something supernatural were to occur it would have to be something they find worthwhile, or not silly, maybe something they could make up. in other words, since if they were god they wouldn't use a hospital window, then god himself wouldn't have used a hospital window either. :P

[knucklebuste]

JESUS RUNS MY HEAD.

knuck

[CouchingTiger]

Dude, Jesus empties my garbage, really, at work, Jesus Martinez, I saw it on his name patch ;)

Whatever gets you by I guess. "Easy Does it", "One Day at a Time", "My Other Car is a POS Too", it's really all just bumper-sticker philosophy.

Oh yea, a though about the window. The hospital should pull it out and auction it off to the highest bidder. Think of all the cool hospital junk a religious symbol could buy them.

-Couch

[I Are Baboon]

This thread reminds me of the "Married With Children" episode when Peg thinks she sees the image of Elvis in an arm pit stain on one of Al's t-shirts.

[knucklebuste]

Oh yeah, did I tell you Jesus cuts my grass too. He's really not that scary once you know him. He's cool and ****. Also he doesn't mind at all when you yell out Jesus H. Christ, but he did ask me what the H is for. I said I don't know, my dad taught me that one. He said, well lets just say Harry. I said ok if your cool with that. Once you get in good with him, he'll let you call him JC, but you gotta ask first. I said it without asking and that was the only time I've seen him get ripped. He was like how bout I take those mavic 321 rims, make em straight and shove 1 up each nostril. I said it's cool brutha. He said only certain duds can call me JC. I said can I call you JC Jesus. He said yeah I'm cool with that. It's all good. Jesus also condones canibis too. He's not that bad a guy. He doesn't care if you attend church either, he thinks priesthood is ridiculous and said why would the big man give a man a d*** and expect him not to use it. Those priests are just confused, and go after little boys as they are more readily acessible. He said and I quote "I'm not down with priesthood and church, it's all bout bein nice to da naybor yo" I said I'm cool with that JC, I'm all bout the nayborly luv. knuck

[Mr_Cheeze]

In fact, Sky Pilot, there was nothing at all unnatural about the phenomenon. A leaky window seal, a temperature difference between the outside and inside on said window. Voila, we have dew.

I know many people who are staunch in their christianity and wonder what is wrong with these people. I do think it purveys a need for something more out of life, the need to see a miracle. In all seriousness, is not real faith just that? Faith? To me, people flocking to see optical illusions on a bank window are, in some measure, insecure in their religious beliefs.

Anyway, I do appreciate your patronizing philosophy, SkyPilot. Thanks.

I am now going to stare at the seagull crap on the windshield of my car. It looks a lot like Larry Fine. There's a guy out there right now with a banner that reads, "Nyuk, nyuk." Word travels so fast.

[gungywump]

If you look hard enough for something, you will eventually find it.
If you don't want to find something, you will never see it.


Think About It!! 8)

[CouchingTiger]

You mean there's still hope that I may see a Sasquatch (Bigfoot)? Sweet man, that rules!

-Couch


If you look hard enough for something, you will eventually find it.
If you don't want to find something, you will never see it.


Think About It!! 8)

[gungywump]

You mean there's still hope that I may see a Sasquatch (Bigfoot)? Sweet man, that rules!

-Couch


If you look hard enough for something, you will eventually find it.
If you don't want to find something, you will never see it.


Think About It!! 8)




Yes, Couch . . . but, only if you believe.
I heard he was seen in Lynn Woods recently.

http://www.bustedspoke.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=1129 ;)

[JimmyTwoTimes]

I am now going to stare at the seagull crap on the windshield of my car. It looks a lot like Larry Fine. There's a guy out there right now with a banner that reads, "Nyuk, nyuk." Word travels so fast.


HEY LARRY!!!


Hey Cheeze, it worked!!! Now that you said that....my avatar, although really seagull poop, looks just like Curly!!!!! I swear it's him!

[knucklebuste]

Ah, the power of suggestion. Hey how come a psychics first question is "whats your name?"
knuck

"I almost had a psychic girlfriend, but she left me before we met"

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Wait until we have 3 straight sunny days of hot sunshine and see if the condensation is still there....and if it is, then I'll believe it's an act of God. Otherwise, I'll keep praying to God, not a window.

[Mr_Cheeze]

Officials are now estimating that over 25,000 people have visited this site to view the phenomenon. How much do you want to bet that 75% of those people have a foreign accent?

[huff'npuff]

"Officials are now estimating that over 25,000 people have visited this site to view the phenomenon. "

My skepticism is showing,because all I can think of is the old saying....."A sucker's born every minute." ::)

[JimmyTwoTimes]

From the Boston Herald, concerning the 3 hour per day 'uncovering' of the window (removing the tarp)

"But one worshipper, who only identified herself as Roberta, said she wants the hospital to establish longer hours, and promised to visit ``even if I have to get arrested.''


WOW. :o Is the miracle that this many people believe condenation is VM?

[Mr_Cheeze]

Hospital officials are complaining that the throngs are interfering with ordinary business. What exactly is stopping them from doing something about it under cover of darkness? Aim a frigging heater at the window or something. The math is simple, no more image, no more crowds. It isn't going to go away with all of the rain that is lingering about. When this calms down, I would reseal or replace the window, because every time conditions arise where condensation reappears as this "image", idolators will perpetually arrive with it.

[Mr_Cheeze]

I don't see it. Kind of looks like Moses holding aloft the tablets, preparing to hurl them upon the false image worshipers. Or Arthur, King of the Britians, holding up the Holy Grail.

[gungywump]

It's David Beckham hoisting the EUEFA Champions cup, no wait it's Tiger Woods with the Ryder Cup, it's Pete Sampras at Wimbledon, no it's Larry Bird shooting a three pointer, no it's Simba being shown to the Pride.

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Holy Shite!!!! It's condensation!!

::)

[If_Rider]

Looks to me like Jim Morrison, wearing an eye patch, shooting a 3 pointer!!

[Z]

OK, please forgive me, but because we are all "seeing things"... I thought I would share something I saw on weather.com yesterday.

It's a banner ad... It took me a good 20-30 seconds to figure out what I was really looking at.

What does this look like to you? Honest.

Do you think it's intentional?

[nhiker]

Damn Z you did that with photo shop or somtin !!!!
I really have no interest in seeing that movie now....

[Mt.A TODD]

Yo nhiker, that's the official movie poster and Z thinks it contains a subliminal picture....I think she's been hitting the Hornitos.

In the comic book he's called Bruce Banner. CBS television changed his name to "David Banner" because the name "Bruce" was considered stereotypically gay in the 1970s."

[gungywump]

Yo nhiker, that's the official movie poster and Z thinks it contains a subliminal picture....I think she's been hitting the Hornitos.

In the comic book he's called Bruce Banner. CBS television changed his name to "David Banner" because the name "Bruce" was considered stereotypically gay in the 1970s."



Did David Bixby die of AIDS??? Not that it's bad. I was just thinking of the irony of what Todd said in that context.

[Big Game]

And remember that sad "Walking Away" piano ditty that was played at the end of every episode of the Incredible Hulk? Man that was some touching stuff. I can remember it clearly now, Bill Bixby as David "Bruce" Banner, would turn around, with a knapsack slung on one shoulder, with his thumb out to try to hitch a ride. But lo and behold, no one would pick him up; he was rejected by passing motorists just like he was rejected by society for being different. Oh man, that got me hooked. I would say the best Friday night show of all time. Or possibly tied with Dukes of Hazard.

And as far as the best Thursday night show of all time, the short-lived Family Guy. And get this, in one episode baby Stewy even references the sad walking away music from the Incredible Hulk. Then they played it! It was awesome. It was the best night of my life.


And Z, why the hell are you wasting your time on weather.com? I can give you a synopsis of the weather for the next few months. Rain followed by drizzle, mist, then heavy rain, then the type of rain that makes you sleepy, then the kind of rain that makes your car really dirty, then rain with big drops. The sun will eventually come out, but don't worry --- you won't see it, as it will be blocked by more of, yep, you guessed it, rain clouds which will bring more rain.

Your pal,

Mr. Sunshine

[MissJean]

From today's Boston Globe...


DON'T KNOW if the image in Milton Hospital's window (''Window image awes faithful,'' City & Region, June 13) is of divine origin or simply a curious natural phenomenon, but I am certain it would please and honor the Virgin Mary if the onlookers would stop gawking at the window and go inside the hospital, become a volunteer, visit patients, make a donation, pick up litter on the grounds, offer hospitality to families of patients who live a distance away, lobby for health care for the poor, send appreciation cards to physicians and nurses, or escort patients into and out of the hospital.


The Virgin Mary is eminently practical and her message is the same as her Son's: Love your neighbor.

Rev. JOHN SWENCKI

St Joseph Church


I agree with the Rev.

[gungywump]

From today's Boston Globe...


DON'T KNOW if the image in Milton Hospital's window (''Window image awes faithful,'' City & Region, June 13) is of divine origin or simply a curious natural phenomenon, but I am certain it would please and honor the Virgin Mary if the onlookers would stop gawking at the window and go inside the hospital, become a volunteer, visit patients, make a donation, pick up litter on the grounds, offer hospitality to families of patients who live a distance away, lobby for health care for the poor, send appreciation cards to physicians and nurses, or escort patients into and out of the hospital.


The Virgin Mary is eminently practical and her message is the same as her Son's: Love your neighbor.

Rev. JOHN SWENCKI

St Joseph Church


I agree with the Rev.


Ask not what the image can do for you but, what you can do for the image??

I like it. In this selfish society most 'beleivers' probably double park in front of the hospital to see it, push and shove to get to the front, complain it wasn't as advertised, jabber on the cell phone that they are actually there so their friends envy them, and then stomp their cigarettes out on the sidewalk when they get ready to leave . . .

[nhiker]

Oldbroad and Gungy,,,,,You are both unfortunatley right on the $$$$ here.

Quoteth The Gungy: Ask not what the image can do for you but, what you can do for the image??

I like it. In this selfish society most 'beleivers' probably double park in front of the hospital to see it, push and shove to get to the front, complain it wasn't as advertised, jabber on the cell phone that they are actually there so their friends envy them, and then stomp their cigarettes out on the sidewalk when they get ready to leave . . .

[Sky Pilot]

I know many people who are staunch in their christianity and wonder what is wrong with these people. I do think it purveys a need for something more out of life, the need to see a miracle. In all seriousness, is not real faith just that? Faith? To me, people flocking to see optical illusions on a bank window are, in some measure, insecure in their religious beliefs.

Anyway, I do appreciate your patronizing philosophy, SkyPilot. Thanks.




hey, while i'm patronizing you, i think you might want to check up on "purvey." such mistakes might lead others to discount your whole post.

[Sky Pilot]

Officials are now estimating that over 25,000 people have visited this site to view the phenomenon. How much do you want to bet that 75% of those people have a foreign accent?


or they might even get the idea you are racist.

[Mr_Cheeze]

I know what purvey means and used it correctly. I used it in the sense of to advertise or call attention to. As in, "they advertise their need... "

It also means to supply or furnish. Not how I used it. Nice try, though.

And I am not concerned that anyone might somehow feel that I am racist for recognizing that some of the most fervent Maryologists happen to be those in the Portuguese and Latino communities. Am I making fun of them? You betcha!

Have you seen the window? It kinds of looks like Frodo hurling the ring into the fires of Mordor. Maybe you should go and genuflect.

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Officials are now estimating that over 25,000 people have visited this site to view the phenomenon. How much do you want to bet that 75% of those people have a foreign accent?


or they might even get the idea you are racist.


So you are saying, just because you have a foreign accent, that means you are of a different race? Not a pithy comment there. I don't see any racism in commenting on an accent.

[knucklebuste]

CHEESE YO. I'M HERE FOR YA BUDDY. I know exactly what your talkin about bro. Seems that some folk just don't have enough to occupy their cerebral cortex's so they "FIND STUFF" or "SEE STUFF" and if you tell someone something and they start to "SEE IT" WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAA then you got yourself an epidemic. I mean I see Jesus everyday. Theres images of Mary on my ceiling. Jesus decided to mold an image of himself into the woodgrain on my door. Heck, I've even seen Joseph in the Toilet at work. Come on people. WAKE UP.
knuck

[Jesus]

::)

It was only a matter of time, brothers and sisters. Jesus was sure to chime in on this subject. For the record, Jesus' mother is not projecting her spiritual image on windows, trees, in clouds, mud puddles, potatoes, mountain vistas, nebulas, or drops of spooge. Mom is chilling in the nether plane and leaves it to Jesus to screw with the stupid mortals' heads.

For the record, Jesus did not have anything to do with this latest phenomenon. Probably some janitor's joke. Good one, though!

Jesus must go now. Gettin bizzay in the dizzay, yo. Peace out.

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Hey thanks Jesus...See? I knew we were right. Even Jesus himself says so. Oh no, don't tell those 25,000 'followers' that Jesus himself was on NEMBA....they'll crash the server....

[gungywump]

I don't know if that is really Jesus. He's got a strange accent.

[knucklebuste]

Hey diddn't you ever see that discovery channel special.
NEW FINDING -------- Jesus was of color yo.
knuck

[gungywump]

Hey diddn't you ever see that discovery channel special.
NEW FINDING -------- Jesus was of color yo.
knuck


Hey Now!!
I only said he didn't SOUND like Jesus, not that he didn't LOOK like Jesus!

[Mr_Cheeze]

Well, being that Jesus was a Jew of Palestinian origin, would he not have an Middle Eastern type of accent? Then again, how does one distinguish linguistic intonation via the written word? Jew don' know what jew are talking about, mang. Jew be careful when jew talk about Jesus, mang. I cut jew, mang.

[nhiker]

Now for something really important!

Does anyone else find knuckles new avatar sorta..........disturbing??????

[Mt.A TODD]

nevermind the avatar....Does anyone else find knuckels sorta..disturbed!

I guess nobody saw Z's green penis??

[nhiker]

Quoteth Todd: I guess nobody saw Z's green penis??

WHAT? :o And Green Yet! Oh that Penis yah. that thing is scarey

[JimmyTwoTimes]

What the f*ck?!? We went from the Virgin Mary to green penises?

[knucklebuste]

Hey Todd? Do you even have a penis? Every post has some SHORT of sexual connotation in it. You wana come out buddy? It's ok, we'll still like ya.
Knuck

[Sky Pilot]

way back in favorite sports 3 i answered jesus by reminding him of the old advice about not talking religion. (hmmm, i suppose cheesewiz thinks that was paternalistic, too. )

i tried to quote myself from there, but it will not allow quotes from that thread. maybe the administrator thought the religion stuff was best set aside. (more damn paternalism! it's everywhere.)

would that i had followed my own advice and fled from this topic! so i'll say no more on visions, apparitions, hallucinations, or any other such stuff. and no more on religion or spirituality either from sky pilot unless you ask me about it in person.

but i cannot keep silent about misuse of the language. i still say your wrong about purvey, mr. cheddar!

[Mr_Cheeze]

Take particular note of definition number 2, Pilot.

pur·vey

pur·vey (p?r-v?, pûr?va´) verb, transitive
pur·veyed, pur·vey·ing, pur·veys

1.To supply (food, for example); furnish.
2.To advertise or circulate.


[Middle English purveien, from Anglo-Norman purveier, from Latin providere. See provide.]

— pur·vey?ance noun

Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition Copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from Lernout & Hauspie Speech Products N.V., further reproduction and distribution restricted in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.

It is surprising that someone with such vast knowledge and literary expertise as yourself does not even know the difference between the two words patronizing and paternalistic. Let me help!

pa·tron·ize

pa·tron·ize (p?tr?-niz´, pat?r?-) verb, transitive
pa·tron·ized, pa·tron·iz·ing, pa·tron·iz·es

1.To act as a patron to; support or sponsor.
2.To go to as a customer, especially on a regular basis.
3.To treat in a condescending manner.

— pa´tron·i·za?tion (-tr?-ni-z?sh?n) noun
— pa?tron·iz´ing·ly adverb

And

pa·ter·nal·ism (p?-tûr?n?-liz´?m) noun
A policy or practice of treating or governing people in a fatherly manner, especially by providing for their needs without giving them rights or responsibilities.
— pa·ter?nal·ist adjective & noun
— pa·ter´nal·is?tic adjective
— pa·ter´nal·is?ti·cal·ly adverb

and finally...
nerd also nurd (nûrd) noun
Slang.

1.A person regarded as stupid, inept, or unattractive.
2.A person who is single-minded or accomplished in scientific pursuits but is felt to be socially inept.


[Perhaps after Nerd, a character inIf I Ran the Zoo, by Theodor Seuss Geisel.]

— nerd?y adjective

Word History: The word nerd and a nerd, undefined but illustrated, first appeared in 1950 in Dr. Seuss's If I Ran the Zoo: “And then, just to show them, I'll sail to Ka-Troo And Bring Back an It-Kutch a Preep and a Proo a Nerkle a Nerd and a Seersucker, too!” (The nerd itself is a small humanoid creature looking comically angry, like a thin, cross Chester A. Arthur.) Nerd next appears, with a gloss, in the February 10, 1957, issue of the Glasgow, Scotland, Sunday Mail in a regular column entitled “ABC for SQUARES”: “Nerd—a square, any explanation needed?” Many of the terms defined in this “ABC” are unmistakable Americanisms, such as hep, ick, and jazzy, as is the gloss “square,” the current meaning of nerd. The third appearance of nerd in print is back in the United States in 1970 in Current Slang: “Nurd[sic], someone with objectionable habits or traits. . . . An uninteresting person, a ‘dud.’” Authorities disagree on whether the two nerds—Dr. Seuss's small creature and the teenage slang term in the Glasgow Sunday Mail—are the same word. Some experts claim there is no semantic connection and the identity of the words is fortuitous. Others maintain that Dr. Seuss is the true originator of nerd and that the word nerd (“comically unpleasant creature”) was picked up by the five- and six-year-olds of 1950 and passed on to their older siblings, who by 1957, as teenagers, had restricted and specified the meaning to the most comically obnoxious creature of their own class, a “square.”

Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition Copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from Lernout & Hauspie Speech Products N.V., further reproduction and distribution restricted in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.

Your homework for tonight: Write a 500 word essay on the connections between Christianity and Lord Of The Rings. But you must use the word "purvey" in a sentence 10 times, and "patronizing" 7.

[Jesus]

Brothers Cheeze and Pilot, thou must chill the f out. And never tell Jesus that Jesus cannot talk about religion. Jesus IS religion.

And for the record, Jesus lost his accent long, long ago. There was a time from the fourth century AD (a term created by the Roman Emperor Constantine when he devised this silly calendar based on the birth of yours truly as well as the whole cross icon thingy)... there was a time when Jesus actually converted to Islam. For many centuries, Jesus was known about the nether planes as Ahmed Yulook. It was only recently that Jesus reverted back to... well, Jesus. You can take the Jesus out of the Jew, but you can never take the Jew out of Jesus.

What?

would that i had followed my own advice and fled from this topic!


Thats good advise. I belive I will broadin it for myself to include any topic started by Mr Cheese. I have been reading this thread since i posted the first alternate opinion to Mr Cheese and was told i needed to lighten up. It is clear to me now after much thought and review of past Cheese threads that the purpose of most of them is to announce one opinion, wait for a victim, and belittle anyone who wishes to offer a different view from his own. Its a trap. I admit i have fallen in it too often.
It took me a while to relize how damaging it was to my spirit to keep reading his disparaging comments. I found myself trying to compose responces of equal venom. I know now that its not the words he uses that hurts me most, but the thoughts in myself of hurting him back.
I feel much better now. I dont have the skills to trade insults, belittle people, mock, disparage. I dont have the practice. I dont want the practice. I'm done reading anything from the mouth of Cheese.


bill

[Mr_Cheeze]

???

Way to bring down a lively discussion, Bill. Jeesh.

Well, no sense beating a dead horse. (I don't mean you Bill) Before this gets out of hand, I'm going to lock this topic, friends, sorry. It was fun, but on to other enlightening discussions.

[Mr_Cheeze]

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=4172122&nav=9qrx

Time to unlock this thread. More "miracles" deserves more religious discussion.

[knucklebuste]

I hereby declare this thread UNDEAD

[Mr_Cheeze]

Hey, I gots the holiday spirit.