War Progress

[knucklebuste]

What do you guys think of the war progression? I think it's absolutely ridiculous that our troops are going to be standing targets when they enter Baghdad and the "red line"
Damn it pisses me off so much to know they will be walking into that booby trap, I hope the US military knows what their dealing with. If it were up to me. I'd drop leaflets saying, 48 hours to vacate Baghdad then wipe the place flat and then go in the pic out the reminants. What do you think of all this? I hate to see our troops get killed because of the governments policy on this war.
Kncukle

[Sky Pilot]

it seems to me our hope was that the iraqi army would revolt and allow for a relatively easy victory. hence the avoidance of carpet bombing the iraqi divisions around baghdad.

unfortunately, it certainly seems as though this is becoming unlikely. even civilians in areas under coalition control are not exceedingly happy to be "liberated." or so it seems.

if no revolts occur, then we will have to fight these divisions, either in the desert or in the cities. and if we have to fight them, then killing them from the air is preferable to killing them on the ground. whether you agree with the war's objectives or not, there's no need to risk our people any more than is absolutely necessary.

[AGENTGRAPE]

its time to use the m.o.a.b on the bastards. there out in the dessert , pull the trigger george w.

[knucklebuste]

Damn this war is pissing me off so much I feel like joining up again. My wifes brother is over there in the 1st exp from camp Lejeune. Bastard fu*ks. I hope every Iraqi that yeilds a gun over there perishes in flames. Where the f*ck is this MOAB? Ha? Where the fu*k is it already. Where is the air support already for the combat of 1000 Iraqi's. One thing for sure, doesn't matter how many U.S troops perish, U.S.A will win.
KILL OR BE KILLED SHOULD BE THE MOTTO. FU*K POLITICS. WE SHOULD HAVE DROPPED LEAFLETS OVER ALL IRAQI CITIES. GO TO THIS SQUARE MILE FENCED IN AREA, A TOTAL OF 5 OF THEM AND GET OUT OF THE CITY WITHIN 48 HOURS AND LEVEL IT ALL. ALL OF IT. AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH
Knuckle

[Dawgee]

Im with Knuckle and Agent. level the place and build a casino

[nhiker]

Jeesus Knuckle layoff the java after 5 will ya.....

Yah I was talking to some guys at work. What would really piss off the Arabs after this is over.... ;D Declare Iraq the 51st state. Nationalise all of the oil wells of course.

Oh and Change the name of Bagdad to lets say BushVille or GeorgeTown. And turn it into a great big Disney / Lasvegas land.

Open up a bunch of dirty movie houses over there and that way, they would all have jobs when the war was over.
we could even offer discounts to the Israelies for Vacation Junkets.

It's really hard to say who I want to see Looking up at a falling Moab more The Iraqies or some of these f#*King Reporters. If I hear one more time how great the Iraqi resistance is doing and what they could do to screw us up even more on national TV. Oh My God.

Pardon me....... Hey Knuckle were do you keep the Decaf???

[Phresh]

"...one thing for sure, doesn't matter how many U.S troops perish, U.S.A will win..."

Wow, am I the only one who finds this statement a little oxymoronic? I care a sh*tload about the Amercian lives lost in this war. Especially when the war is supposedly being fought in the name of saving lives that quite possibly might have never been lost in the first place. It just does not add up for me. Sorry.

Now that the war ship has sailed, only a dickhead wouldn't wish for quick ending. That said, I am not the least bit ashamed to admit that I wish we weren't there at all.

[Mr_Cheeze]

I am utterly mortified that the Bush administration's policy for this conflict is to trade US soldiers lives for those of Iraqi citizens. He has stated several times of late, "Our first priority is to prevent the loss of innocent Iraqi citizens' lives."

So instead of trying to win a war... a ******* WAR godammit... instead of taking out a charging Republican Army, instead of bombing the hospitals and schools and other public buildings where these Iraqi fighters are hiding, our troops will have to face enemy fire because of the poor, poor innocent civilians. This is looking like another Mogadishu. A half-assed battle plan because the political consequences and questions about the positivity of finding these weapons of mass destruction that we've been told Iraq posesses are seemingly more important than just trying to gain the swiftest victory possible.

You want this war to be over with fast? You know exactly how that could have been accomplished. We didn't do it. Now too our brothers will be coming home in body bags. Who would you rather see die? Be very careful how you answer that question. There is only one answer if you consider yourself a patriot.

[I Are Baboon]

Watching the different news channels with their own little spin on the war, one thing that they all agree on is that Allied forces will probably have to start hitting civilian targets if we're going to win this war. When civilians are used as shields, and when the Iraqi military are hiding out in civilian buildings, we pretty much have no choice. It sucks for those innocent Iraqis, but that's war for ya.

As far as progress goes....people, keep in mind that the war is only ONE WEEK old. ONE STINKIN' WEEK, and we're already pounding on Baghdad's door, we've hit hundreds of targets with bombs, we've taken thousands of Iraqi soldiers captive, we've secured ports, we've started distributing food and water to civilians, and we have ONLY lost a couple dozen troops. War is a slow, painful process, and we've make great progress in only one week. The American public is too impatient and wants results INSTANTLY. Well this is war, and results don't come that fast.

[nhiker]

Quote from I R Baboon As far as progress goes....people, keep in mind that the war is only ONE WEEK old. ONE STINKIN' WEEK, and we're already pounding on Baghdad's door, we've hit hundreds of targets with bombs, we've taken thousands of Iraqi soldiers captive, we've secured ports, we've started distributing food and water to civilians, and we have ONLY lost a couple dozen troops. War is a slow, painful process, and we've make great progress in only one week. The American public is too impatient and wants results INSTANTLY. Well this is war, and results don't come that fast.

absolutley IR write on the money I could not have said this any better myself. The media dramatizes everything and the american public has got to stop thinking this is a made for TV movie or at MOST a freaking mini-series.

And Cheeze I understand your fear but total coalition losses are around 40 and the Iraqi armed forces are probably up over 1000. Half of those coalition losses are from accidents and friendly fire. I had me fears about this too and I am still worried but don't panic. Even with how dirty the Iraqi's are fighting they really have not been that effective. Again alot of the worrying is because of media driven public hysteria. These soldiers are going to do what they need to do to stay alive get the job done and come home.

[SloMoJo]

Gents....give me just minute to vent....no harm meant.
We're all friends here.....
---- My feelings -------
I'm proud to be an American, voted republican, want US victory, and I'm also sad to see so many lives lost both Iraqi and US.

Ask yourself "Why did we rush into this war so quickly?"
I can think of a couple reasons but they are not noble ones.

To say Saddam was a threat to the US security is just not true. To say he is in cahoots with Bin Laden is just ignorance of middle eastern cultures. US has some real strange relations with other countries, especially in the middle east over the last 50 years. Small wonder few countries trust our intentions.

You all know US helped put Saddam in power during the Iraq \Iran conflicts, right?

We better not try this same approach with N. Korea.

I have spoken to several Americans of middleeastern dissent and they seriously question US motives, and feel this war will cause more harm than good for US both short term and long term. I hear this even from Iranians, people who really do have real issues with Saddam.

Imagine if we had waited for more world support and it was not just our troops in there, with a few Brits? When it got to this inevitable point there would such a world outcry that Iraq would experience extreme pressure to change.

Instead, like dumbasses, we go there like a Lone Ranger to save the day. Blind to the fact, that most of the world opposes us. No, this is not our proudest moment. We let the Generals have their way just too early. Ever read about the pressure the Generals put on JFK in the Cuba incident? I'm thankful he did not cave into them. Maybe cuz JFK did not come from Oil business. Or maybe cuz JFK saw real war time action and knew it's consequences.

Having said that, I pray for our soldier's success and safety.
May God bless America....in spite of us.

[knucklebuste]

I am utterly mortified that the Bush administration's policy for this conflict is to trade US soldiers lives for those of Iraqi citizens.


Right on man. I would rather see Iraqi citizens perish than our troops. We are living in a suspended state of animation as my wifes brother is on the 1st Marine expeditionary unit out of Lejeuine. So for us, this war is personal. A whole bunch of them got injured yesterday seriously. Where the fu*k is this moab? AAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH. If I wasn't 32, I'd go sign up again. Army Rangers this time. God I feel helpless. Every time a troop is killed, I feel it in my gut and my rage grows higher. But all I can do is harbor my hate for the Arab world, muslemism (all of it) it's an evil religion that makes my blood boil and the rest of the S.N's over there. Then they are gonna launch chem and bio weapons at our troops. F the moab I say bring in the nukes.
Knuckle
Also before someone climbs down my throat as being a racist. I work with many indians in the Oracle field, some of which are muslems, I work with arabs. I have nothing against them, I am strictly talking about the muslem extremists in Iraq, Iran and all the rest of the underworld over there in the middle east. I hear what you are saying
JoSmoLow, I don't know what to believe, I don't know how much of a threat he was, but I'm glad to see that soon, the name Sadddam Hussein will be a forgotten name except in future history books. F Hussein.

[knucklebuste]

Watching the different news channels with their own little spin on the war, one thing that they all agree on is that Allied forces will probably have to start hitting civilian targets if we're going to win this war. When civilians are used as shields, and when the Iraqi military are hiding out in civilian buildings, we pretty much have no choice. It sucks for those innocent Iraqis, but that's war for ya.

As far as progress goes....people, keep in mind that the war is only ONE WEEK old. ONE STINKIN' WEEK, and we're already pounding on Baghdad's door, we've hit hundreds of targets with bombs, we've taken thousands of Iraqi soldiers captive, we've secured ports, we've started distributing food and water to civilians, and we have ONLY lost a couple dozen troops. War is a slow, painful process, and we've make great progress in only one week. The American public is too impatient and wants results INSTANTLY. Well this is war, and results don't come that fast.



Right on man. The media makes this seem longer than it has been as I've been watching that black guy on msnbc with the bags under his eyes since this thing started. Exemplary progress so far. Hey you want to know something funny. My wifes brother called from Iraq at 2am tuesday night. All he said was he was alright and whispered where he was. All I will say is that what the media is telling you about most of the locations of troops and stuff is not always true. Remember, the media is controlled by the government . And things might start happening sonner than you think. Also, ever wonder why we're still in Afghanistan? Do you think we really care about getting Bin Laden? I think we're cleaning out all the various little militant groups for something bigger. You think I'm nuts? You'll see. We're up to something bigger than you can ever imagine. Remember, the less seperate groups you have to fight, the more easily a war can be won. My guess is that there will be more U.S presence in the middle east, and I'll bet our ultimate goal, even though the government isn't saying it is total domination in the middle east. You think I'm crazy?. Take a look at this web site
http://www.newamericancentury.org
What they don't tell you is whos really behind the scenes on this thing. Can we all say "Rummy and crew" ???? It doesn't say this on this site, but I've seen other stuff about this site and who's really running it. As well as who's running the media, and trying to take over hollywood as well. I know, I'm nuts. Lets just wait and see before you point the finger. It's all about information and how it is portrayed to the public. Little things to gear the public towards a thought process that helps the government be able to do what they want to do. Propaganda folks. We have all succumb to the evils of it. How do you think the war approval rating turned around so fast? Propaganda and media. Which is controlled by who ???? Think again. Theres more to this than meets the eye. So when you are watching movies and the news, don't just watch it, study it and try to get the real message that is trying to be force fed into your brain. You'll be suprised what you see when you open your eyes. Yes we're all blind. I've been blind for a long time. I will now quote from a song
"One morning I woke up
with the gift of sight
I saw things I never saw before
One morning I woke up
in the middle of a fight "

Knuckle

[Mr_Cheeze]

Uh oh, knuckle. Not another one buying into this Zionist-world control crap. Now you are starting to worry me.

There is someone very close to me who is very heavily into that whole thing. He knows all of the websites, has read a dozen books, and even subscribes to a Jewish newspaper because, as Sun Tzu says, know your enemy. So I have to hear this stuff all of the time. And call me naive, but I don't buy into it for one second. So the media and world banks are largely run by Jews. Big deal. It's what they do. It certainly doesn't mean they are conniving to control the planet. You can find a website and a book to support any theory that you choose to ascribe to. You ever hear about Alex Jones? He is a nutball militant from Texas (big surprise) who has a radio show. This guy would have you believe that everything that happens is a conspiracy. It's like one giant X-files plot where a cabal of 20 guys, mostly jewish, are controlling the world. It's quite laughable.

At the same time, I am not that naive to disbelieve that oil is not a factor in all of this. But I look at it like this... who better to control those Iraqi fields, an unstable regime led by a Hitleresque dictator? Or a quasi-democratic government helped by the west who will at least make sure the people of Iraq live decent and peaceful lives? It is unfortunate that some of those citizens may have to take the brunt of this incursion because of thier cowardly "protectors".

You have to take this whole Zionistic slant with a grain of salt. There will always be people who distrust government and the rich. Militantism is based upon that simple notion. I generally dismiss it.

[knucklebuste]

Yeah, I'm not really into that, but wonder to what extent the government just controls the government. I'm not completely buying into it as if it was that much of a problem there would be a lot more people involved in it and there would be marches and protests and near-riots going on. I guess your right and that's good to hear as that sh*t was starting to scare me. Thanks for setting me straight. Knuckle

[SloMoJo]

Knuck Knuck....You crack me up.

You seem to like the extremes. Try a middle ground for a while, and bring your blood pressure down. ;)

[knucklebuste]

Yeah this war sh*t has me out of control. I'm just terrified for our troops as they enter what will be the bloodbath in baghdad. I hope these Generals know what the fu*k their getting into. Don't worry, Mr. Cheese got me back on track.
I'll be aight. I got's to get away from the pc and tube and get out on the bike. IF I EVER GET HOME FROM WORK AND IT'S ABOVE 26 DEG F.
Jesus this weather sucks. 60 all day while I'm at work and near snow conditions when I get home. Knuckle

[Mr_Cheeze]

Didn't you know?? The Jews control the weather.

[SloMoJo]

Crimeny!
I did not know that one!!

If you see any Jews, would you thank them for me? ;)

[knucklebuste]

I did not know that either. Seems they control everything ha? ;D Tell them the recipe for the Summer should be.
100 deg F. Every Day. 100% Humidity, every day. No rain. Drought conditions. Will you put in that request for me? Kncukle

[I Are Baboon]

Did anyone happen to catch Bill O'Reilly last night? They had on an Army colonel who was describing how the Navy SEALS and Army Rangers went about getting that POW rescued. Very interesting stuff. Basically, the SEALS and Rangers create a diversion in another part of town in order to draw the Iraqi troops away from the hospital. Then, they surround the hospital, swarm in, and go right to where the POW is being held. While they are in the hospital, they kill anyone that gets in front of them. Once they get to the POW, they grab her and immediately retreat from the hospital. The whole thing takes less than 10 minutes. That colonel said missions like that are very successful for the Special Ops units because those soldiers move extremely fast and use an enormous level of violence. Crazy stuff!! 8)

[knucklebuste]

soldiers move extremely fast and use an enormous level of violence. Crazy stuff!! 8)


Key words - enormous level of violence. That must be such a rush. Man what I'd do to get a video tape of that one. You know there will be a movie made out of that one, but nothing can really tell it like the guys that actually did it. Man the US military kicks ass, I'm talking about unparalleled kicking of ass. Good fuc*ing job. They probably use some high powered light maching gun with a silencer on the end of it. I can hear it now. Snip, snip, snip as the Iraqi soldiers fall to the floor. Just curious, if this was a hospital was it vacated of medical personel and being used by the Iraqi military as a torture-chamber / pow containment? Knuckle

[I Are Baboon]

Knuckle, I don't know how populated the hospital was, but there had to be a good number of Iraqi troops in there guarding our POW. Watching the colonel describe it was quite a rush. He said our Special Ops killed anyone that looked the slightest bit threatening. They take no chances. Apprently, the Iraqi doctor that originally treated that woman was the one who told US forces where she was being held.

[Mr_Cheeze]

I am really getting a kick out of the fact that the media, by which I mean the anti-Bush left media, which is most of it, have no choice but to report on the overwhelming proof that this war is going quite successfully. After the first week they were all jumping on the cynical bandwagon, really hoping to discredit the administration for anything that went wrong after just a week of fighting. Unfortunately for them, we are KICKING ASS!!!!!!!!!

When this thing is finally over, the second war will begin. By that I mean the war between the UN and the US over who will control the rebuilding of Iraq. And I strongly hope that Bush gives them ALL the finger, especially France. What? Oh, now you want to help, Monsieur Shirac? Va te faire foutre, morceau de merde!!!!! Oh, and by the way... you'll now have to go elsewhere for oil, vous baiseurs stupides d'âne.

(I lovethis thing: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr)

[I Are Baboon]

Cheeze, that reminds me of another guy that was on O'Reilly last night (some retired Army guy, a regular on the show but I can't remember his name). He had an e-mail from one of the infantry troops leading the charge to Baghdad. The soldier said that their unit alone has killed over 10,000 Iraqi soldiers. They wiped out two entire Iraqi units, and 8 others have just refused to fight and surrendered. In total, the soldier estimated 25,000 Iraqi soldiers were either killed or turned back, and that is by just a SINGLE US Army unit. Of course, to get that story you have to watch Fox news. CNN and MSNBC only report news that makes us look like we're losing.

[nhiker]

Cheeze said.........
Didn't you know?? The Jews control the weather.

You know I am a 3/4 irish catholic and 1/4 russian jewish american and I cant't get the jew's to teach me any of the passwords or let me into the secret world dominating meetings.......I mean I hear all this stuff from outsiders.......
I wish I could controll the weather????If I could Boyo we would be riding all year..under brite sunshine......the bars would allways be open free beer to everyone.........I better stop before I get to crying...... :'(

Oh but about the War I read this morning were we are 4 miles outside of Bagdad. But we must be lost because the iraqi's are saying that we are no were near there. And did anyone else read where that little girl pow they just rescued gave them a hell of a fight......Yah go girl. As far as the rest of the world goes like I heard on the radio this morning.....Some countries are good at saving the world from nuclear holocast and others make a really wounderful perfume.......

[nhiker]

Hey what does everyone think now????? One last stronghold left. Maybe these freaking generals did no what they were saying when they said five weeks!!!