Bring on the Football Season [Archive]

Mr_Cheeze

March 19th, 2003, 10:13 AM

??? Wow, talk about pessimism. I don't know how long you've been following baseball, but you ought to know that spring training doesn't mean jack. Pitchers test out new pitches, arm angles, release points, etc. They're really not pitching with any particular strategy. Derek Lowe will be fine. Wakefield is pitching the best of his career, now having more than just a knuckler. Burkett should be good for 10-12 wins. And I believe Fossum will come around. He has a great curveball. He just needs better command and spring training is often when that segment of pitching is the last to come around.

This is going to be a more fun team to watch this year. Manny is more relaxed. Millar adds great chemistry to the clubhouse. You are right in that they will score runs. And if Hillenbrand keeps up his torrid spring, they should be able to get something pretty good in trade. But don't expect it to be a frontline pitcher. They need good, young arms to reinforce their farm system.

I believe the biggest worries will be the bullpen and infield defense. That said, and barring any major, long-term injuries, I like them for at least 96 wins this year... edging out the fading, elderly Yankees. Now there is a pitching staff to worry about.

nhiker

March 19th, 2003, 10:18 AM

I Are Baboon

March 19th, 2003, 10:23 AM

Lots of young players, especially pitchers, struggle at first. We'll have to see what Fossum can do. The Sox did not get Bartolo Colon (a bona fide #1 starter) because they refused to part with Fossum, so they must think very highly of him. If Fossum ends up sucking, that will be a big #1 strike against Theo.

I agree with the Cheeseman. We're looking at 95-100 wins. 8)

nhiker

March 19th, 2003, 10:26 AM

Quote from Cheeze
Wow, talk about pessimism. I don't know how long you've been following baseball, but you ought to know that spring training doesn't mean jack.

While I am aware that preseason is just excersise...
I have been following these guys since ....well lets put it this way. I remeber and went to games with my Dad during the 67 season. I have been excited then completly sickend by their last three series appearances. And as I said before, the hitting will be there as will the fielding but two pitchers wont' beat the freakin Yankme's.

There thats all I am trying to say.

Mr_Cheeze

March 19th, 2003, 10:38 AM

Let's touch on the Yankees, then, for a minute. Clemens... 41 years old. Enough said. Pettite... good for two to three stints on the DL. Weaver... can't handle the Big Apple pressure cooker. Contrearas... big question mark, especially after a less than impressive spring. Good bullpen, but Rivera also injury prone the last couple of years. Torre overuses him bigtime.

And let us never forget the Steinbrenner factor. It is starting to look like the Yankees of the 80s when Georgie was WAY too involved, being directly responsible for sending the team into the tank. You've seen the grumblings in the news from some of the players. This team is definitely on the downslide. They'll still be tough, but not tough enough. They don't even make the playoffs this year, losing the wildcard to the White Sox. George proceeds to flip his wig and fires everybody. And it will be SO fun to behold.

nhiker

March 19th, 2003, 11:19 AM

Ok, I like Cheezes perspective on the Yankees it almost sounds like reality listening to him.......but 95-100 w's.
"Crikey" how about you guy's share your stash with the rest of us out here in Red Sox Nation...

I Are Baboon

March 19th, 2003, 11:25 AM

but 95-100 w's.
"Crikey" how about you guy's share your stash with the rest of us out here in Red Sox Nation...

Why not 95-100 wins? We won 93 last season, and we are now better and healthier than we were a year ago. Last year, Pedro and Nomar were both coming off injuries, Manny missed a month, and Jason Veritek was coming off elbow surgery. Just dumping Daubach and Tony Clark made us a better team. :D

March 19th, 2003, 11:33 AM

Phenomenol topic gentlemen. We should have PK start a Red Sox "Make my Summer; Ruin My Fall" forum addition.

Kidding aside, I agree with Cheesedonger and IAB that we will see a good number of wins.

Interesting to see what happens with Shea. Millar played 3rd base the other day, coincidence? Talk of Shea at first if he stays. All good.

As Lowe said himself...they are still wearing the Red Jerseys. Way too early to comment on pitching. Fossum has great support...we'll wait and see.

nhiker

March 19th, 2003, 11:34 AM

Well if for no other reson, who is the closer?

I Are Baboon

March 19th, 2003, 11:45 AM

Well if for no other reson, who is the closer?

Good question. We don't have one. :P

My Sox tickets arrived in the mail last week. WOO HOO! I only go to a few games a year, but you've got to order early to avoid sitting in the bleachers or the right field corner. A few seasons ago, I went to five games, and Pedro pitched four of them. Talk about getting lucky. 8)

johnnyt

March 19th, 2003, 12:06 PM

So let's stir in a little contraversy...

ML Baseball sucks! The players are a bunch of prissy, overpaid, arogant asses and last years "near" strike is a testament to that. They lost me in '94. Did you know that Pedro gets paid approximately $7500 a pitch! WTF is that all about. Seats at Fenway start at around $60, a fenway frank is $5 (for a freakin hotdog!), parking is $20 at least.

Bottom line is the bottom line. Baseball has lost it's mystique, it is ALL about money from the players perspectives, from the owners perspectives and the saps like us have to foot the bill. It is just not fun any more. Sure a great story emerges every now and then but for the most part baseball seems to overlook the one most important element, the fans. When they decided to forget about the guys like you IAB who buy a few seats a year, they lost more then just a few fans, they lost the meaning of baseball...

nhiker

March 19th, 2003, 12:07 PM

Well I hope you see nothing but wins. And I really hope this is the year...... ::) :-\

I will also try to get into Boston to see them at least once.

Bring on the Yankme's!!!!

Mr_Cheeze

March 19th, 2003, 02:40 PM

That is really a tired argument, jollytime. The game of baseball is played with as much fervor today as it was 20 or 30 years ago. Blame the owners for the state of the game's finances, not the players. How can you possibly blame anyone for making as much money as they can? You would do the same in their shoes. Pedro Martinez may be a rich man, but he plays with as much heart and passion as anybody I have ever seen.

I Are Baboon

March 19th, 2003, 02:54 PM

Blame the owners for the state of the game's finances, not the players.

I blame that bastard Steinbrenner!!!!!!

:D

johnnyt

March 19th, 2003, 04:25 PM

Cheese,
You know the argument is really tired and that is why so many people, myself included, have walked away from the game.

I don't blame anyone for wanting to increase their earnings, but at some point the system will fail. A union laboror makes a certain wage because of the work they do, as does a baseball player. In both cases the owner makes of the company makes a profit, generally more then the worker due to the risks involved in owning a business, expenses, etc. If the one company bids on a job and his employees cost twice as much as another, he will generally not win the job. What I am saying is that baseball has outpriced the fans. It is cost prohibative to go to a game, buy a jersey, etc. The system is failing. So who is to blame?

Well in a simple world of supply and demand, the demand for baseball is down, the supply cost is up so guess what, there has to be a cost reduction. I don't care who is to blame, baseball has forgotten that it is the fans that make it great and without little kids in the stands watching Pedro pitch that passionate game because their parents can't afford it, it is just a matter of time until the demand slips further and baseball comes tumbling down.

I hope it doesn't happen, and I will continue to keep track of the game out of the corner of my eye, but it will take alot to re-convert this tired fan!

MMcG

March 19th, 2003, 04:45 PM

A few thoughts on where to find fun baseball on the relatively cheap.

1. T-Ball! Helluva lotta fun!
2. College ball - Go Huskies!
3. Summer League Ball - Thread City Tides!
4. Minor League Ball - Norwich Navigators....oh wait, crap, the Stankees pulled out of Norwich - Bastards! Has another team come in to place a minor league club there?

Cheers,

Mark (who is bummed that the B's fired Robbie Ftorek and I'm not even a B's fan!)

SloMoJo

March 19th, 2003, 05:01 PM

Pro baseball???
Please....
Stop punishing yourself!

Still a red sox fan???
Learn from the generations before you.
Stop punishing yourself.

I kicked that habit years ago, and better for it.

I'm just kidding... in a serious sort of way.
You keep rootin for the sox..
I'm sure this is the year. ;)

nhiker

March 19th, 2003, 06:45 PM

quote from Jollytime 3/19/03I don't blame anyone for wanting to increase their earnings, but at some point the system will fail.

Actually I have been thinking about this same thing recently.
And I think the system has begun to fail, just look at Minnesota and Montreal and the Florida Marlins.
This would indicate to me that the cost to sit at the table is getting too high for some now.

Mr_Cheeze

March 19th, 2003, 07:54 PM

I think it is a completely disingenuous argument to claim that one has become discontented with the game of baseball because "the system is failing." That is just total crap! Blame it on cable TV and the internet, on the fact that there are just so many more forms of entertainment these days and baseball just doesn't hold people's attention as much anymore. Viewership and attendance is down in pro basketball and hockey as well. Same deal. Too many games and too high ticket prices. I don't go to games but I do follow all of the teams pretty closely. The game of baseball hasn't changed one iota. Same rules, same strategies, same demand on high skill levels to hit a baseball being thrown at you at over 90 mph. It's really rather easy to ignore all of the other stuff and just enjoy the game for what it is. When someone tells me that they have become soured because of players unions and agents and owners, that just tells me that they were never really a big fan in the first place.

Besides, we all know that you'll be back on the bandwagon the day they clinch a postseason berth.

nhiker

March 20th, 2003, 10:05 AM

:o "disingenuous" ouch!!!!!! I think we have hit a nerve here.

No I don't think the level of play has fallen off. On the other hand I would say that the players are over paid...I am not even sure how the most ardent fan can argue this. And the facts show that salaries are killing the small market teams. But I digress because none of this is my issue with the Red Sox. Personnaly I have suffered with them from 66-86. I was the freaking Red Sox Fan. after losing in 67', I was sick but I was young so I bounced back, after loosing in 75' I was suicidal for a little while but eventually recovered. However after 86' .........it took me a week of the lowest torments of hell and suffering and remorse to get over that game six f##king choke. And when I came out the other side, I said this monkey has to get off of my back...So I have discovered emotional detatchment. I follow them now but they do not get my love anymore. I just can't stand the pain :'(. And I have seen them in the post season since.....and they don't get to hurt me anymore!!!!! >:( So yes if this means I am not a real fan anymore!
I can live with that.
So Cheeze God Bless You and know that if you ever get tired of suffering there is help available for you to. "RSA" Red Sox Anonymous....Is it for you?

Mr_Cheeze

March 20th, 2003, 02:17 PM

Of course they are overpaid when compared to real jobs. The pro athlete is merely an entertainer. That Ben Affleck can demand 20 million a film makes me want to puke, especially since he is a god-awful actor. But, again, entertainment. Pedro Martinez and Mike Piazza, entertainers. Michael Jordan, Shaq O'Neil... entertainers. Tiger Woods... entertainer. Overpaid for what they do; i.e. make money for the networks that carry them and the advertisers that endorse their products through them? No. Overpaid when you consider many towns cannot even afford to carry full contingents of underpaid firemen, yes. But so isn't Arnold Schwartzenagger. Such is our culture, my friends.

So the next time you shell out $9.00 to go and see the next big blockbuster and help pad the pockets of some actor or actress and get only 2 hours of entertainment to boot, consider the amount of entertainment that you get from your favorite, overpaid ballplayers for a fraction of the sum you pay yearly for cable or satellite tv. Sports on tv is the much better bargain. And if you balk at watching the Sox because Nomar wants a contract extension or he is going to walk, then you should just shut off your TV altogether and forget about the movies because the whole entertainment industry, including professional sports is laden with vast sea of prima donnas. At some point you have to just let it go and enjoy it for what it is.

And suffer I will, because I cannot ever give up the Sox. That they keep me hanging every year gets to be frustrating, yes, but it's like a continual cliff hanger with them. I so look forward to spring training every year. I guess I'm a glutton for punishment.

johnnyt

March 20th, 2003, 02:58 PM

Besides, we all know that you'll be back on the bandwagon the day they clinch a postseason berth.

Cheeze,
This is where your logic fails you! I grew up a Yankees fan. In '94 I stopped watching baseball and if memory serves me correctly the Yanks have won a few series since then. You know what, I have not watched one! You bet if the Sox go to the series I would watch it, as I would with the Cubbies. As I said every now and then there still is a great story, but I am not a fair weather fan just waiting for my team to "rise up" out of a "curse" cause the team I once called "mine" has no such thing.

Let me ask you a question, if you go to a business and are insulted by the staff and owner do you go back? That is what I feel baseball has done to the fans, insulted them. I have not gone back. Go ahead and love it. That is great for you and for your sake I hope the sox do well this year. I bet the seats on top of the monster are awesome. Just don't invite me to watch a game cause I'll probably be out riding my bike!

I Are Baboon

March 21st, 2003, 09:44 AM

All the overpaid athletes, the bitching between players and owners, the disgruntled umpires, the high ticket prices, and the labor battles does not take away from my love of the game of baseball. One does not have to enjoy all the politics of the game to enjoy the game itself. And the fact is, MLB sports the best players in the world. There is nothing quite like going to Fenway and watching Pedro strike out 18 or seeing Manny launch one over Yawkey Way.

<----- baseball fan forever

March 21st, 2003, 10:07 AM

There is nothing quite like going to Fenway and watching Pedro strike out 18 or seeing Manny launch one over Yawkey Way.

Or watching Lowe pitch a no-hitter. One year anniversary next month.

I Are Baboon

March 21st, 2003, 10:32 AM

Or watching Lowe pitch a no-hitter. One year anniversary next month.

You were there for that? Nice!!!

knucklebuste

March 21st, 2003, 11:17 AM

And I must ask myself the question. How much would you have to pay me to go to a Red Sox game??
Knuckle

nhiker

March 21st, 2003, 01:38 PM

And I must ask myself the question. How much would you have to pay me to go to a Red Sox game??
Knuckle

Knuckle do you feel this way about all sports or just the Sox?

knucklebuste

March 21st, 2003, 01:44 PM

Hate sports, except extreme sports. Can't sit still long enough to watch a full game. Basketball and March Madness, I don't understand the fascination. I hate football, golf, baseball, basketball. I have so many other things to do than waste 4 hours watching that stuff. I just can't get into it. Knuckle

nhiker

March 21st, 2003, 03:00 PM

I had a feeling this was going to be your answer.

While I do recognise it as a waste of time I have a real weakness for Football. Only on television but I can easliy burn 4 hours watching the a good football game and I have been watching the Pats since they played at Harvard. But other than that its Participation sports like Biking, hiking, XC Skiing, Snow shoeing. Mostly anything to get into the woods. And none of these require that I be physically gifted or Graceful.

knucklebuste

March 21st, 2003, 03:06 PM

Hey it's cool that you guys watch sports. My wife has to beg me to sit down and watch the sopranos. I can't sit still as all I do all day is sit in a chair with my back aching in an office. So when I get home, you'd have to give me 2 percocets, 2 beers and 2 valiums to get me to sit still. Plus I have ADD. Knuckle

nhiker

July 30th, 2003, 02:52 PM

No offense intended there Baboon, but Fossum? Our greatest hope with him is that he wears out all the opposing hitting during preseason!!!....... I just cant see it but if he turns it around I will Humbly apologise to you on this very string............If by all star break he has more wins than losses and not injured and still in the starting rotation. Then I will apologise and bow to your greater baseball knowledge.

In addition if his era is below 5.00 on top of all that I will write a haiku to your baseball brilliance!!!!!

OK Here we are it is July 30th.....the Sox are 63w and 42L They have reinforced thier bullpen by picking Scott saurbeck and Scott Williamson I am not quite ready to eat my hat yet or write any haiku's but they certainly have been interesting and are on thier way to break 90 wins this season. So I humbly apologise, they are atleast interesting. But don't be counting your world championship chickens just yet!!!!!! this club will break all of our hearts soon. Just you watch and see. >:( ;D

July 30th, 2003, 05:17 PM

Kidding aside, I agree with Cheesedonger and IAB that we will see a good number of wins.

Call me Nostradamus...

NHiker - you looking to start something on this thread as well? ;)

nhiker

July 30th, 2003, 07:03 PM

Noooo pe, Figure sports is much safer than religion...
Gulp! :-[ ;D

I Are Baboon

July 31st, 2003, 09:00 AM

OK Here we are it is July 30th.....the Sox are 63w and 42L They have reinforced thier bullpen by picking Scott saurbeck and Scott Williamson I am not quite ready to eat my hat yet or write any haiku's but they certainly have been interesting and are on thier way to break 90 wins this season. So I humbly apologise, they are atleast interesting. But don't be counting your world championship chickens just yet!!!!!! this club will break all of our hearts soon. Just you watch and see. >:( ;D

We really need to drop MenBLOWza. The dude is just HORRIBLE! Gotta admit though, that offense is fun to watch! No game is ever out of reach when you pile up runs as fast as this offense does. Very entertainig, if nothing else. ;D And yes, Theo and Co have done a great job of improving the bullpen. Will it be enough? We'll find out!

I Are Baboon

July 31st, 2003, 09:01 AM

Noooo pe, Figure sports is much safer than religion...
Gulp! :-[ ;D

Not always, especially if Yankee fans get involved. :P

July 31st, 2003, 09:36 AM

We really need to drop MenBLOWza. The dude is just HORRIBLE!

Grady says he is staying in the rotation ::) If Theo somehow managed to trade him by todays deadline...he would be the bomb..I know I'm talking crazy.

Is there a Red Sox Fan only MTB group in the area?

nhiker

July 31st, 2003, 10:05 AM

Quote from NOO: Is there a Red Sox Fan only MTB group in the area?

PPPPPPPPpppppppppppphhhuckkkkkkk U! ;D

nhiker

July 31st, 2003, 10:11 AM

Quote from IRB And yes, Theo and Co have done a great job of improving the bullpen. Will it be enough? We'll find out!

You know what back in september I started this thread with grave pessimism.....But now I have really enjoyed the first half of the season! And that offense has been extremely entertaining So we will see. But in the words of DR Zachery Smith OOOooh the pain!! I dont think I can subject myself to 86" again!

I Are Baboon

July 31st, 2003, 10:32 AM

Grady says he is staying in the rotation ::) If Theo somehow managed to trade him by todays deadline...he would be the bomb..I know I'm talking crazy.

Is there a Red Sox Fan only MTB group in the area?

Red Sox MTB ride? AHHHHH HAHAHAHAHA!!!! :D :D

As far as MenBLOWza goes, I can't see any team wanting him. Our best bet is to give him the Chad Fox treatment and waive his sorry ass. If we eat his salary, so be it.

nhiker

July 31st, 2003, 02:01 PM

I think if they want to have thier own mountainbiking club then All the red soxs fans out there should feel free! This is for NOOO! ;)

I am certainly not getting in the way of anybody have thier own Mountainbiking Group anymore thankyou.....

As far as the team I relly hope we get one more verified starter...it seems unlikley but if we get one more legit starter I might start to sprout a miniscule bit of hope!

I Are Baboon

July 31st, 2003, 02:24 PM

Unconfirmed reports out of Pittsburgh have us sending them Freddy Sanchez in exchane for Jeff Suppan. I'd take that deal!! Suppan has been a solid pitcher the last few years for crappy Kansas City and Pittsburgh teams.

nhiker

July 31st, 2003, 02:33 PM

Alright .....who is freddy Sanchez? I know who Suppan is but who is Sanchez?

Suppan could definetly help thier rotation.....

I Are Baboon

July 31st, 2003, 02:37 PM

July 31st, 2003, 02:48 PM

Noooo pe, Figure sports is much safer than religion...
Gulp! :-[ ;D

justbill sits quietly grinning. :) and salutes nhiker's brass balls

I Are Baboon

July 31st, 2003, 03:02 PM

MLB is now confirimng the Suppan for Sanchez deal. And get this...Pittsburgh is also sending Brandon Lyon back to us. ;D He sucks.

nhiker

July 31st, 2003, 03:03 PM

Brass balls or pea brain? ::)

nhiker

July 31st, 2003, 03:10 PM

Freddy Sanchez is one of our infield prospects. He's an awesome defensive player, but his bat lacks pop. He follows an Ozzie Smith type mold. He's been up and down between Boston and Pawtucket the last couple of seasons.

Thanks IRB I remember seeing him now...Yea Suppan could help...he is 10w 7L with a 3.57 era with 141 IP not bad good #3 or 4 should do better with the sox lineup. Fingers crossed! :)

July 31st, 2003, 03:12 PM

Brass balls or pea brain? ::)

Pea balls and Brass brain.

If fact is there a group of MTBers that have all have pea balls and brass brains in the area?

Jisch

July 31st, 2003, 03:13 PM

Yeah! Once football starts and all you yahoos are off the trails, I can ride in peace on Sundays.

John

nhiker

August 1st, 2003, 10:49 PM

:( Ok since I complemented them they have lost 3 in a row......... So they suck again and I don't expect them to even make the playoffs! >:(

There maybe that will get them turned around again :-X

Mr_Cheeze

August 7th, 2003, 12:03 PM

Lest you all think the Yankess are having it easier these days, they just completed a waiver-wire deal yeaterday where they shipped Benitez to Seattle for Jeff Nelson, who is having just a god-awful season. What are THEY thinking?

The next month is uber-huge for the Sox, with Seattle, Oakland and the Yanks on the docket. Whatever you do, don't blink.

Pats/Giants tonight. Whoopie. Don't get me wrong, I look forward to football season, but it's hard to get revved up for a pre-season game. I'll leave that to the get-a-life football junkies.

I Are Baboon

August 7th, 2003, 12:10 PM

Jeff Nelson getting shipped to New York was clearly "punishment" for his spouting his mouth off about the lack of trading Seattle did at the trade deadline. Although, getting sent to the Spankees is hardly punishment for any player. I am bummed that Benetiz got traded because he was regularly blowing leads.

After having the Sox lose four of six to Baltimore and Texas on the road, I am very afraid of what the next month might bring. This modest three game win streak does have me happy for the moment, however. As bad as that road trip was, it was the offense that sucked. The bullpen held up ok, which is very encouraging.

Mr_Cheeze

August 7th, 2003, 03:26 PM

Nelson is sporting over a 12.00 ERA with runners in scoring position and over 18.00 with 2 outs. Not exactly a clutch guy these days. I think I would prefer Benitez.

Don't you think that Steinbrenner is steaming from the fact the Theo pretty much committed highway robbery during the trade-fest? That whole thing with Pittsburg where they essensially got two good releivers for a small AAA infielder... all because they were spooked by a failed Lyons MRI.

Lyons will be a good pitcher. I was more than happy to get him back in the deal. This team is not only set for this year but also next with most key players under contract through next season.

The big debate next year will be, do they sign both NomaHHH and Pedro and Derek Lowe to the big contracts they will all demand? One of the big two will be gone in 2005. My money is on Pedro.

nhiker

August 7th, 2003, 03:28 PM

Pats/Giants tonight. Whoopie. Don't get me wrong, I look forward to football season, but it's hard to get revved up for a pre-season game. I'll leave that to the get-a-life football junkies.

Yeah, This is very true what with this same matchup schedualed in the early part of the regular season, so nobody wants to give their opponent to much information.
No I won't bother watching this game.

On the baseball side a friend of mine from out west called me and asked how the Sox were looking, I said right were they usually are in August around 3-4 games behind the Yankmes. If they can keep it together long enough to make the playoffs well we will see what will happen ::) The bullpen looks good and hopefully the offence was just slow comming back from the break.

I Are Baboon

August 13th, 2003, 10:21 AM

Well, it looks like our annual slide into mediocrity is begining a bit earlier this season. >:(

Stupid *******s. >:(

Losing five of seven to Baltimore, then the first two to Oakland is not the way to make a playoff push. >:(

nhiker

August 13th, 2003, 02:40 PM

[quote author=nhiker

On the baseball side a friend of mine from out west called me and asked how the Sox were looking, I said right were they usually are in August around 3-4 games behind the Yankmes. If they can keep it together long enough to make the playoffs well we will see what will happen ::) The bullpen looks good and hopefully the offence was just slow comming back from the break.

Gawd I really wish I could be wrong! But this looks like the same old same old! same old!!

nhiker

September 8th, 2003, 08:39 AM

OH Crud! :(31-0 !
I believe this to be a temporary condition......

And who is this guy Bledsoe? 17 of 28 for 230 yds with a TD.....

Not to mention that other guy Malloy!! He had a couple good hits and forced one Brady interception. I think Pioli must be taking managment tips from Sinden ::). Well things should get better from here.

SloMoJo

September 8th, 2003, 10:14 AM

Painful to be a sports fan isn't it?
Why put yourself thru it year after year?

Try not paying any attention to sports until the final playoffs. Then you might see a good ballgame, and have saved yourself countless hours of your life.

Just a thought. ;)

nhiker

September 26th, 2003, 09:18 AM

No offense intended there Baboon, but Fossum? Our greatest hope with him is that he wears out all the opposing hitting during preseason!!!....... I just cant see it but if he turns it around I will Humbly apologise to you on this very string............If by all star break he has more wins than losses and not injured and still in the starting rotation. Then I will apologise and bow to your greater baseball knowledge.

In addition if his era is below 5.00 on top of all that I will write a haiku to your baseball brilliance!!!!!

OK IRB and Cheeze-man they made the playoff's and seem a shoe in for at least 95 w's this season with 94w's in hand and 3 games to go as they prepare for a 3 game set to close out the season against the Tampa Dee's ;D but Due to fossum (the starting pitcher tonite in tampa having and ERA of 5.47 "SO NO HAIKU FOR YOU!" UNLESS he throughs a 9 inning shut out and that would drop his ERA to 4.92 :D
What do you say guys Fossum been playing Possum?

I Are Baboon

September 26th, 2003, 09:43 AM

I thnk Fossum needs to shut it down and just get ready for next season. We CAN NOT include him on our post-sesaon roster! Are we just THRILLED now that we passed on Bartolo Colon? ::) Hindsight is 20/20 I suppose.

Yeah, I think 95, maybe 96 wins this year. I am sure most of the regular starters will see limited playing time in Tampa, but they will get some at bats to keep them fresh. Pedro will probably pitch only two or three innings over the weekend. I do think the Sox should try their damdest to win the last three games, because you don't need to go into the post-season having just been swept by Tampa Bay.